Split Thread What happened to Flight 93?

[FineWine]

I have a challenge for you RedIbis.

You will:
1)cite an example of a high speed(500 mph +), near vertical crash of an intact large airplane and...
2)you will show many pictures of very large pieces of identifiable wreckage from that crash. The pieces must be larger than these pieces of 93(which I'll go out on a limb and say are the largest) and they must identifiable to a part of the airplane(ie a nose section , tail section , wing section or fuselage section).

If you refuse to take this challenge, please give a reason. It's important for you to back your claims that there is not enough debris. If you ignore the request, or don't give a reason that you are refusing - I'll take it as an admission that you are not interested in the truth or are just trolling.

If you accept the challenge and fail - you must admit that you were wrong about this crash scene.

Deal?

ETA: As a gesture of goodwill, I'll offer 2 crashes which fit 1) above: VJ592 and WD991.

Oh, yeah, RedIbis will jump at the opportunity to accept your challenge. Wait--I think a pig flew just past my window.

 

[lapman]

Oh, yeah, RedIbis will jump at the opportunity to accept your challenge. Wait--I think a pig flew just past my window.

Or has the ambient temperature of the theological place of eternal damnation has fallen low enough to solidify water?

 

[FineWine]

Or has the ambient temperature of the theological place of eternal damnation has fallen low enough to solidify water?

Yup, that too.

 

[roundhead]

The National Park Service disagrees with you.

"The crash and the subsequent investigation created a depression approximately 85 feet by 85 feet with a maximum depth of 27 feet...

...the plane impacted the relatively soft stripmine backfill, plowing to a depth of 30 ft, then collided with the remaining strip excavation rock highwall, causing the plane to explode.” Source

Where did you come up with "15 feet?"

From eye witnesses on site, including a FOX news reporter.

 

[roundhead]

The National Park Service disagrees with you.

"The crash and the subsequent investigation created a depression approximately 85 feet by 85 feet with a maximum depth of 27 feet...

...the plane impacted the relatively soft stripmine backfill, plowing to a depth of 30 ft, then collided with the remaining strip excavation rock highwall, causing the plane to explode.” Source

Where did you come up with "15 feet?"

Key word in the quote is.."The crash and subsequent investigation created a depressionnote it never says the initial hole was anywhere near that big)..because initially the hole was nowhere near 85 by 85 and 27 feet deep. It might have been after they saw how stupid the original small hole looked to initial witnesses who saw nothing in it and said it was 15 feet deep, and began digging again to make it bigger.

 

[BigAl]

Key word in the quote is.."The crash and subsequent investigation created a depressionnote it never says the initial hole was anywhere near that big)..because initially the hole was nowhere near 85 by 85 and 27 feet deep. It might have been after they saw how stupid the original small hole looked to initial witnesses who saw nothing in it and said it was 15 feet deep, and began digging again to make it bigger.

What is the point of your random pure conjecture? The exact size of the hole is irrelevant since since tons of aircraft parts were extracted from it and we have a huge amount of evidence and eyewitnesses that also show that Flight 93 crashed in that field.

 

[twinstead]

Key word in the quote is.."The crash and subsequent investigation created a depressionnote it never says the initial hole was anywhere near that big)..because initially the hole was nowhere near 85 by 85 and 27 feet deep. It might have been after they saw how stupid the original small hole looked to initial witnesses who saw nothing in it and said it was 15 feet deep, and began digging again to make it bigger.

I wonder how much they paid off the people who dug the hole and planted the evidence, and the first responders and volunteers who walked the site for days picking up the planted bits of plane and body parts. Must have been a lot to keep quiet all these years.

But, for the omnipotent NWO, money is no object.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

<snip> It might have been after they saw how stupid the original small hole looked to initial witnesses who saw nothing in it and said it was 15 feet deep, and began digging again to make it bigger.

When will you be commenting on flight 1771 and the stupid small crater IT made?

Huh? Coward?

 

[roundhead]

Only an idiot fails to understand that the site was a STONE quarry. Not soft soil. There was a layer of topsoil and then ROCK.

watch what you type.

It was an abandoned coal strip mine, not a STONE quarry. And it was backfilled with loose soil.

Great place, there would be no houses around it, or people in the vicinity, and it was easy to have a backhoe or another implement in there to dig the "crash hole" without arousing suspicion.


You are the idiot for lying and saying it was a STONE quarry

Attack the argument, not the arguer...

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[The Big Dog]

watch what you type.

It was an abandoned coal strip mine, not a STONE quarry. And it was backfilled with loose soil.

Great place, there would be no houses around it, or people in the vicinity, and it was easy to have a backhoe or another implement in there to dig the "crash hole" without arousing suspicion.


You are the idiot for lying and saying it was a STONE quarry

Uhh, so you are saying that coal is not a form of rock? Really. Very interesting! You learn something new every day from Truthers. None of it remotely true, but what ya gonna do?

 

[FineWine]

watch what you type.

It was an abandoned coal strip mine, not a STONE quarry. And it was backfilled with loose soil.

Great place, there would be no houses around it, or people in the vicinity, and it was easy to have a backhoe or another implement in there to dig the "crash hole" without arousing suspicion.


You are the idiot for lying and saying it was a STONE quarry

Refresh our memories. Who was the idiot who said there were two United Flight 175s?

 

[roundhead]

What is the point of your random pure conjecture? The exact size of the hole is irrelevant since since tons of aircraft parts were extracted from it and we have a huge amount of evidence and eyewitnesses that also show that Flight 93 crashed in that field.

We have nothing bigger than a phone book coming out of that "hole"


Do you seriously dispute that??

 

[roundhead]

Refresh our memories. Who was the idiot who said there were two United Flight 175s?

Refresh my memory, who was the dolt who said it was a stone quarry(hint, its earlier in this thread)

 

[Dog Town]

We have nothing bigger than a phone book coming out of that "hole"


Do you seriously dispute that??

Yes! You must have missed the rotor from an engine,in all your "re-search"! Not to mention the window section,etc...

YOU LOSE , AGAIN!

 

[Slayhamlet]

We have nothing bigger than a phone book coming out of that "hole"


Do you seriously dispute that??

Yes. Durrr..

 

[roundhead]

Uhh, so you are saying that coal is not a form of rock? Really. Very interesting! You learn something new every day from Truthers. None of it remotely true, but what ya gonna do?

Its the way he stated stone quarry, when it never was a stone quarry...those just watching this post could get the wrong impression, i am sure thats the exact reason why the poster who said that intended it to be taken...just wanted to correctly clear that up.

 

[beachnut]

We have nothing bigger than a phone book coming out of that "hole"


Do you seriously dispute that??

You can't refute 93 making the ditch with people parts buried many feet into the ground. The FDR found in the ditch, and parts from a 757 all over the area from the impact hole going the direction of travel, the exact direction 93 was headed at impact. You failed to do research and spew lies. The engine of 93 buried in the impact hole. Oops.

RADAR tracks 93 exactly to the impact crater; oops you lost.

Where is your evidence? All the DNA of all passengers found deep in the hole because they were going 600 mph at impact!

You failed to make a case for your moronic ideas on 911; what will you do next?

 

[Dog Town]

Its the way he stated stone quarry, when it never was a stone quarry...those just watching this post could get the wrong impression, i am sure thats the exact reason why the poster who said that intended it to be taken...just wanted to correctly clear that up.

Yes he was wrong about one thing, that is inconsequential here. You OTOH have been terminally wrong, about everything else!
Funny, how you ignore the posts showing you such.

 

[roundhead]

The National Park Service disagrees with you.

"The crash and the subsequent investigation created a depression approximately 85 feet by 85 feet with a maximum depth of 27 feet...

...the plane impacted the relatively soft stripmine backfill, plowing to a depth of 30 ft, then collided with the remaining strip excavation rock highwall, causing the plane to explode.” Source

Where did you come up with "15 feet?"

Thats quite a bit different than the account of the first person on site. who said this:


Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking crater.
Lensbouer told AFP that the hole was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described hearing “an explosion, like an atomic bomb”—not a crash.
Lensbouer called 911 and stayed on the line as she ran across the reclaimed land of the former strip mine to within 15 feet of the smoking crater.
Lensbouer told AFP that she did not see any evidence of a plane then or at any time during the excavation at the site, an effort that reportedly recovered 95 percent of the plane and 10 percent of the human remains." - americanfreepress.net (09/17/04



So, some accounts say 5/6 feet, others 12/15 feet...that is a long way from 27 feet and 85 by 85 hole...i know who i believe........

And if it waas 15 feet or less in loose soil, guess what, no plane was in there...but anybody with a grain of sense is already aware of that, its why you ignore the first people on site who drive a big fat hole in the official lie

 

[Shalamar]

You can't refute 93 making the ditch with people parts buried many feet into the ground. The FDR found in the ditch, and parts from a 757 all over the area from the impact hole going the direction of travel, the exact direction 93 was headed at impact. You failed to do research and spew lies. The engine of 93 buried in the impact hole. Oops.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg[/qimg]
RADAR tracks 93 exactly to the impact crater; oops you lost.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/93RadarTrack.jpg[/qimg]
Where is your evidence? All the DNA of all passengers found deep in the hole because they were going 600 mph at impact!

You failed to make a case for your moronic ideas on 911; what will you do next?

That engine was obviously planted there, and carefully watered.. Perhaps to grow a new plane?

Remember, earth/soil/rock/coal/stuff is invulnerable to impact. The plane should have just folded up like an accordion. I see it on TV all the time! (Well.. On saturday Mornings.. many many years ago..)