Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[SweatyYeti]

Edited to remove post...and add to my previous post.

 

[William Parcher]

Sweaty, I find it very disrespectful to John for you to bring trash talk to this thread.

 

[WGBH]

I want to thank you for your patience here. You are answering all of the questions. John, I read the report several times and never once thought it was feeding from something other than an unknown berry tree. That is because the report says "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it was a mulberry." It should actually read "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it wasn't a tree and was instead a mulberry bush." Or, your correction would have caused him to revise and we would never see the phrase "...tree the creature was eating from,"

You said you didn't see any tracks under or around the bush. Did your friends look around on the ground there too?

William, when I first started to tell my story to the Bigfoot community, I noticed that one of the questions researchers asked me frequently was "what type of Berry was the animal eating?" I was a 17 year old boy, I was not a botanist. I googled wild berries of North Carolina and looked at photos. To the best of my recollection from looking at those pictures, I think it was a Mulberry bush. It may not have been. I am not a berry expert.

My "friends" were too busy laughing at me and ridiculing me to look for Bigfoot footprints. The way they treated me was the main reason I never spoke about my encounter.

 

[William Parcher]

It's ok that you don't know what kind of berry bush it was. I'm sure there are ways to find out, even if it means going back to the general area.

So there were bushes concealing its lower body, but it wasn't feeding from those. What was the height of the bush(es) it was actually feeding from?

 

[LTC8K6]

IMO what I witnessed looked like a large ape walking bipedal. It did not look or behave to me as a human being.

Witnesses who have had rifles with them have said that the bigfoot they saw looked too much like a human for them to think of shooting at it. John's bigfoot does not seem to meet this criteria.

 

[WGBH]

It's ok that you don't know what kind of berry bush it was. I'm sure there are ways to find out, even if it means going back to the general area.

So there were bushes concealing its lower body, but it wasn't feeding from those. What was the height of the bush(es) it was actually feeding from?

It was reaching out and up as it was feeding. So chest level and above. It was not bending down or reaching down.

 

[WGBH]

Witnesses who have had rifles with them have said that the bigfoot they saw looked too much like a human for them to think of shooting at it. John's bigfoot does not seem to meet this criteria.

I did have a rifle with me. I never even picked it up.

 

[WGBH]

I am going to sleep everyone. I will start answering questions again tomorrow.
Goodnight.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Sweaty, I find it very disrespectful to John for you to bring trash talk to this thread.

This is respect for what John has said..

SweatyYeti wrote:

I think he's being honest, and saw a real, live Bigfoot.

This is disrespect for everything that everybody has ever said, in their testimonies...


kitakaze wrote:

....high quality evidence of significant weight to suggest Bigfoot may exist? No. Zilch.

 

[William Parcher]

My "friends" were too busy laughing at me and ridiculing me to look for Bigfoot footprints. The way they treated me was the main reason I never spoke about my encounter.

Did you take them over to where you saw the Bigfoot? Also I'm curious where you were when they finally came for you.

 

[William Parcher]

Sweaty, it's the trashy name-calling of KKZ and JREF that is disrespectful to John.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Sweaty, it's the trashy name-calling of KKZ and JREF that is disrespectful to John.

"Trashy"?

How about this, from The Great and Powerful Kaze, to wvbig...

No, we think poor research is poor research. Suck it up and don't be so sloppy next time. Unless, that is, you want someone like me to come along and school you making you look lazy and addled by Bigfoot confirmation bias just like I'm doing now.

The Great Kaaz sees fit to judge everybody's ability to think.....yet when wolftrax posted his bogus, custom-altered doll-hand illusion gif, which has no relevance to anything...kitakaze instantly praised it....without question, or critical thought.

Old Thunder-Cheeks stands on his *-*-*-*- throne, and babbles-on, insulting every single Bigfoot proponent's ability to think objectively.


He thinks of himself as the 'Uncrowned King of Thunderdome'..........but I see him more as the 'Uncrowned Janitor of Tinkledome'...

 

[Vortigern99]

At about 9 o’clock, JC caught a whiff of something awful. “ It was like a dog that had been rolling in crap,” he said. “It was really bad. It was so bad it made my eyes water and it made me gag. Then I started having dry heaves, like I was going to vomit.” Maybe because he hadn’t yet eaten that day, JC was able to hold off the nausea. But the trouble didn’t stop there. “Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess. Then I started feeling like, I could feel my internal organs.. my heart, my lungs. I don’t know how to describe it, I’ve never been able to feel it before, but I could feel them. I can’t explain it, but maybe they were getting some kind of trauma. It was just the weirdest thing I had ever felt. And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position.” JC thinks he was on the floor for about five minutes, and then the strange feelings began to lessen.

I asked JC what he thought at the time about what might have caused the feelings, and he gave it some thought. “I didn’t know what.. when that was happening to me, I don’t know what it was. I really don’t remember what I was thinking. I just knew that I had never felt anything like that. Before or since. Never felt anything like that.”

WGBH, given your description of this event, which preceded the sighting of the presumed bigfoot, I would like to submit the possibility that you were having a hypnagogic hallucination, which sometimes occur in conjunction with sleep paralysis.

"Hypnagogia" is the transitional state between wakefulness and sleep. A hypnagogic hallucination is a dream that occurs between the REM (dream-) state and full wakefulness. Such hallucinations can and have been taken as real events in the minds of those who experience them.

Sleep paralysis is a condition that sometimes occurs when the brain awakens from the REM (dream-) state, but body paralysis -- a natural part of the REM state -- persists. This conscious-yet-paralyzed state is sometimes accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations and an acute sense of danger and panic. Distorted perceptions of one's surroundings, and imagined objects or beings, are known and documented elements of these paralyzed hallucinations.

In the above-quoted report, you say you had not eaten that day and that you became weak and debilitated from nausea. You describe being "frozen... stuck there" prior to being "curled up in the fetal position" on the floor of the deer stand "for about five minutes".

This sounds like a description of sleep paralysis.

You also describe being alone in the woods for the first time in your life. "Sudden environmental change" is a factor that has been reported to increase the likelihood of sleep paralysis occurring. Others include:

* Sleeping in a face upwards or supine position
* Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in, sleep deprivation
* Increased stress
* Sudden environmental/lifestyle changes
* A lucid dream that immediately precedes the episode.

WGBH, if you are interested in discovering what happened to you that night in 1982, and have an open mind on the subject, I invite you to look into sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations, and decide for yourself if the factors involved with this known and studied, but little understood, phenomenon, match your recollection of the events.

It occurs to me that you might have witnessed a bear from the deer stand and, in your waking dream state, distorted the perception into a bigfoot, of which creature you have said you were aware from television. The feelings of panic and irrational danger that often accompany sleep paralysis have stuck with you all these years, and have led or contributed to on-going feelings of unease associated with the memory.


From WebMD:

Over the centuries, symptoms of sleep paralysis have been described in many ways and often attributed to "evil" presences: unseen night demons in ancient times, the old hag in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, and alien abductors. Almost every culture throughout history has had stories of shadowy evil creatures that terrify helpless humans at night. People have long sought explanations for this mysterious sleep-time paralysis and the accompanying feelings of terror.

But sleep researchers now know that, in most cases, sleep paralysis is simply a sign that your body is not moving smoothly through the stages of sleep. Rarely is sleep paralysis linked to deep underlying psychiatric problems.​

I honestly hope this helps. Here are some quick links to get you started in any research you care to undertake:

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/sleep-paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucinations
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

NOTE: I've relied on wikipedia's entries for the general wording of some of my descriptions of these conditions or phenomena, but the wiki entries are fully corroborated and supported by medical websites' descriptions and definitions of the terms as well. Also, I've written an unpublished novel in which the main character experiences sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations. I mention this to explain how I've come to understand a little about these events beyond simply looking them up tonight on the internet.

 

[kitakaze]

Yes I saw it trying to eat the berries, it did not like them!

This is very interesting to me. I want to share the details from the detailed report on Blogsquatcher's site:

It was eating. It was eating berries and leaves. I could see it reach out, and it would grab a branch, and it stick the whole branch in its mouth and just pull it through its mouth and just strip everything off of it. Especially the leaves, it would pull them off of it. The berries that were there, I don’t think it liked very much, because it would eat one and it would.. or it would pick it and put it up to its face.. I couldn’t tell if it was smelling it or looking at it, because it was too far for me to tell what it was doing, but it was putting it up to its face, and then it would throw it down on the ground like, ‘I’m not going to eat that!’ Like it was fussy.

John, do you recall the colour of the berries?

I am not responsible for creating the artwork.The artwork is a ARTISTS RENDITION of the animal I saw. It is not perfect. All I did was share it with all of you. It is a very nice picture that is a good representation of the animal I saw, but that is all. Do not read too much into the artwork, for goodness sakes.

It's great and I love it:

Forelorn Bigfoots are great. If I saw a 9x6 Bigfoot like that 50 yards from me, I know I'd be flipping out and rubbing my eyes.

 

[William Parcher]

I wonder what the size of that 9 footer is from 50 yards away. I mean like if you hold a ruler at arms length (exact distance from eyes to ruler specified) and measure the creature as you see it. How many inches tall is it?

 

[xblade]

So, you guys think I saw a member of Alpha Flight that was vacationing in the Dismal Swamp?

Too bad it wasn't that Snowbird chick instead, lol.

 

[kitakaze]

This is respect for what John has said..

SweatyYeti wrote:

I think he's being honest, and saw a real, live Bigfoot.

That's not respect, Sweaty. You seem to understand so little about respect. What that is is the desire to believe and it's your specialty.

This is disrespect for everything that everybody has ever said, in their testimonies...


kitakaze wrote:

high quality evidence of significant weight to suggest Bigfoot may exist? No. Zilch.

Sorry, Sweaty but that is unfortunately another thing you so often misunderstand - reality. I know it bothers you immensely but I know from John's writing that he is smart enough to know that without something more meaningful, his sighting can never be high quality evidence of Bigfoot. He may have very well seen the 9x6 creature he thinks he saw in 1982 but it is not reliable and verifiable evidence in establishing Bigfoot's existence now.

Sweaty, John knows this acutely and that understanding of the nature of the reality of his experience is what drives him to get out into the woods 30 times in the last year despite the deep psychological torment that it causes him. That is the measure of his commitment and he doesn't waste his time farting about with crayons on a 40 year old highly dubious film that will never have any heavy, significant value as reliable evidence of Bigfoot until a type specimen or at least good, unambiguous film or video of clear provenance that matches what is seen on the film is obtained.

For that John can earn a measure of respect even from evil "scoftics" like me. You are a whole different story. You understand nothing how John feels. If you knew anything about that you would never say such a moronic thing as this:

You're a very lucky guy, to have seen one!

Especially the amount of mental and emotional anguish he's been through in the last 25 years.

I think this thread is providing you with a perfect example of just how foolish the things you say can be.

 

[kitakaze]

I wonder what the size of that 9 footer is from 50 yards away. I mean like if you hold a ruler at arms length (exact distance from eyes to ruler specified) and measure the creature as you see it. How many inches tall is it?

Exactly. This is what I don't understand. I'm not saying this disqualifies anything John is claiming so far but all I have to do is look out the beyond some trees to a street where about 50 yards away is a bus stop. No matter what the lighting or time of day, I can not see the white of the eyes of the people waiting for the bus.

 

[kitakaze]

I am going to sleep everyone. I will start answering questions again tomorrow.
Goodnight.

Oyasumi. (G'night)

Colors of the berries and distance vs detail (eye whites, etc) will be my first question when you return.

 

[kitakaze]

I want to thank you for your patience here. You are answering all of the questions. John, I read the report several times and never once thought it was feeding from something other than an unknown berry tree. That is because the report says "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it was a mulberry." It should actually read "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it wasn't a tree and was instead a mulberry bush." Or, your correction would have caused him to revise and we would never see the phrase "...tree the creature was eating from,"

You said you didn't see any tracks under or around the bush. Did your friends look around on the ground there too?

WP, isn't a Mulberry a deciduous tree?