Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[SweatyYeti]

Congrats on your sighting, John! You're a very lucky guy, to have seen one!

I found this detail very interesting...

It had shoulders that were 5 or 6’ wide. It was huge.
Very muscular. It looked like a body builder with fur.

Very much like Patty's body width.

 

[William Parcher]

Hey Sweaty, the shoulder width is 66% of the height (6' shoulders and 9' height). A 6' human with those proportions would have 4' shoulders. Pull out your crayons and draw that.

 

[WGBH]

Congrats on your sighting, John! You're a very lucky guy, to have seen one!

I found this detail very interesting...

Very much like Patty's body width.

Actually, the only similarities between Patty and the animal I saw was the shape of the head. The animal I saw appeared much larger and muscular. It also had wide shoulders and a thinner waist. Like a Swimmers build. Patty looked more barrel chested and thick in the torso.

 

[Vortigern99]

Before I get put up on the gallows, am I the only one here who will admit to a sighting?

I will answer serious questions. I will not answer insulting questions or respond to insults in general. If you are really interested about my encounter that is fine, but I am not here for your entertainment. I am here hoping for answers and ideas, hopefully you are too.

First, WGBH, let me say that I for one have no intention of stringing you "up on the gallows". In my own mind and heart, I allow the possibility of the existence of BF, an outside chance that somehow, against all expectations and evidence to the contrary, a giant bipedal primate is roaming the woods of NA undetected by modern scientific equipment. It's unlikely, IMO, given what I've discovered in this forum and elsewhere in the last few months, but I have to confess it is at least possible. So, I have no wish to ridicule you, insult or deride you in any way.

That said, I do wonder if you've considered all the alternatives to your belief/opinion/conclusion that you witnessed such a creature. In the other thread, I asked you if it was possible that you:

1. Misidentified a bear or other animal;

2. Were the victim of a man-in-a-suit hoax at your expense;

3. Or if you might have hallucinated or waking-dreamed the animal (which again is a known human phenomenon and does not open you up to ridicule or accusations of insanity).

You've already said that 1.) is out of the question, and you seem unwilling to entertain 3.), so allow me to ask you once more: Could you have been the victim of a hoax?

 

[SweatyYeti]

Hey Sweaty, the shoulder width is 66% of the height (6' shoulders and 9' height). A 6' human with those proportions would have 4' shoulders. Pull out your crayons and draw that.

John estimated 5 to 6 feet...which...even at 5 feet, could have been a little over-estimated.

The basic idea is.....extremely wide skeletal frame.




WGBH wrote:

Actually, the only similarities between Patty and the animal I saw was the shape of the head. The animal I saw appeared much larger and muscular. It also had wide shoulders and a thinner waist. Like a Swimmers build. Patty looked more barrel chested and thick in the torso.

Interesting info....as any details of such a creature would be.


One thing about the 'narrower waist'.....that body dimension is determined somewhat by an individual's muscle, and fat, in addition to the bone structure......and can vary pretty widely, from one individual to another.


As for the width at the hips...Patty appears to be a female, and should probably appear a little wider there, than a male would.

In this view from behind, her butt/hips are noticeably, and distinctly, wider than her legs are...

A very unstable animated-gif....someday I'll fix it up...

Just for contrast......Bob's 'straight as an arrow'...along his side...

Did you notice if the creature's hips were the same width as it's waist, John?

 

[William Parcher]

John estimated 5 to 6 feet...which...even at 5 feet, could have been a little over-estimated.

Why do you wish to suggest that he was wrong about his estimate? Does it improve the credibility? Could he have underestimated and the shoulders were actually wider than 6'?

Did you notice if the creature's hips were the same width as it's waist, John?

Why are you asking this when John reported that...

I could only see it from the waist up, because there was brush around.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Why do you wish to suggest that he was wrong about his estimate? Does it improve the credibility?

'Estimate' means an approximation....not an exact figure.
Hence...John's estimate can be considered 'right', if the subject's actual width was approximately 5
feet.....including a little less than 5'.

 

[kitakaze]

Congrats on your sighting, John! You're a very lucky guy, to have seen one!

John at the SFB...

I do have a personal stake in this research. I do care. My life was going along fine also. If you discount the nightmares, alcoholism, relationship problems and living a lie about what I witnessed.

My encounter as a young person clearly has taken its toll on my psyche. For anyone who is not aware, I have not had a good 8 hours sleep in over 27 years. I am also still working on getting over my fear of just BEING in the woods. If anyone thinks that my claims are bullsh#t they only need to spend a night in the same cabin and listen to my screams and talking in my sleep. They can also ask Billy and Tom about the fear they saw on my face when they were patiently attempting to re-introduce me into the woods.

I don't think John feels so lucky.

 

[WGBH]

First, WGBH, let me say that I for one have no intention of stringing you "up on the gallows". In my own mind and heart, I allow the possibility of the existence of BF, an outside chance that somehow, against all expectations and evidence to the contrary, a giant bipedal primate is roaming the woods of NA undetected by modern scientific equipment. It's unlikely, IMO, given what I've discovered in this forum and elsewhere in the last few months, but I have to confess it is at least possible. So, I have no wish to ridicule you, insult or deride you in any way.

That said, I do wonder if you've considered all the alternatives to your belief/opinion/conclusion that you witnessed such a creature. In the other thread, I asked you if it was possible that you:

1. Misidentified a bear or other animal;

2. Were the victim of a man-in-a-suit hoax at your expense;

3. Or if you might have hallucinated or waking-dreamed the animal (which again is a known human phenomenon and does not open you up to ridicule or accusations of insanity).

You've already said that 1.) is out of the question, and you seem unwilling to entertain 3.), so allow me to ask you once more: Could you have been the victim of a hoax?

1.No it was not a bear. I actually saw a black bear that same morning. There is no mistaking a bear for what I saw. The area has tons of bears running around, but they are not standing 9 ft tall and walking bipedal.

2. No I was not the victim of a man in a suit. To discuss that any more is even more far fetched then believing it was a Bigfoot. I was on PRIVATE PROPERTY, miles deep in the woods on the edge of the dismal swamp. Not to mention the fact that I doubt there is a human that large.

3. If it was a hallucination, why would I hallucinate about Bigfoot? I hardly knew what Bigfoot was at that time, and really had no interest in it.

 

[kitakaze]

'Estimate' means an approximation....not an exact figure.
Hence...John's estimate can be considered 'right', if the subject's actual width was approximately 5
feet.....including a little less than 5'.

Sweaty, John says the Bigfoot he saw was 5-6 feet wide. Why can't his Bigfoot be 5-6 feet wide?

 

[WGBH]

I don't think John feels so lucky.

Everyone,

No, I do not feel lucky about what happened to me. I was thrust into this against my will. I tried for 25 years to not talk about it. If I could make it go away, I would do so without a second thought. You think I like being attacked and ridiculed? You think I like being called a liar or a lunatic? I am in this only for answers.

 

[kitakaze]

Actually, the only similarities between Patty and the animal I saw was the shape of the head. The animal I saw appeared much larger and muscular. It also had wide shoulders and a thinner waist. Like a Swimmers build. Patty looked more barrel chested and thick in the torso.

John, disregarding the hair, would you say the physique on your sasquatch resembled Sasquatch?

 

[kitakaze]

Everyone,

No, I do not feel lucky about what happened to me. I was thrust into this against my will. I tried for 25 years to not talk about it. If I could make it go away, I would do so without a second thought. You think I like being attacked and ridiculed? You think I like being called a liar or a lunatic? I am in this only for answers.

I don't know if you'll be able to find any now or anywhere but it's worth a shot.

1) How old were you at the time? ETA: 17 years old. Got it.

2) How would you describe you life the in months before and the months after the encounter?

 

[William Parcher]

2. No I was not the victim of a man in a suit. To discuss that any more is even more far fetched then believing it was a Bigfoot. I was on PRIVATE PROPERTY, miles deep in the woods on the edge of the dismal swamp. Not to mention the fact that I doubt there is a human that large.

An enormous hoaxer intending to fool a deer hunter with a rifle.

3. If it was a hallucination, why would I hallucinate about Bigfoot? I hardly knew what Bigfoot was at that time, and really had no interest in it.

You were 17 years old in 1982 and never knew that BF is supposed to be a big wild hairy biped? Never saw a picture? When you described what you saw to your friends... you never used the term "Bigfoot"? If one of them had asked, "Are you saying you saw a Bigfoot?" - would your response have been, "What is a Bigfoot?"

 

[kitakaze]

Could you have been the victim of a hoax?

John has been the victim of a hoax outside of his encounter. I'll let John specify himself.

 

[WGBH]

'Estimate' means an approximation....not an exact figure.
Hence...John's estimate can be considered 'right', if the subject's actual width was approximately 5
feet.....including a little less than 5'.

Yes when I say that the shoulders were 5 or 6 ft wide. It is a estimate.

I watched this animal stand there for 5 mins. It did not just run by and I got a quick glance. The parts of the animal I saw the best were the back, arms, hands and SHOULDERS. I am very comfortable with the estimate I gave.

 

[WGBH]

John has been the victim of a hoax outside of his encounter. I'll let John specify himself.

I was the victim of a ATTEMPTED hoax. It was a laughable attempt at that. Sorry, I am not fooled that easily. I have been out in the field over 30 times now. I have only had possible Bigfoot activity on ONE occasion. ONCE.

Contrary to popular opinion and the claims of some researchers. We do not get much action on most excursions. I DO NOT count, possible screams, whoops and wood knocks as activity. I have lots of those sounds recorded but I simply CANNOT seriously submit something like that as evidence.

 

[WGBH]

An enormous hoaxer intending to fool a deer hunter with a rifle.

You were 17 years old in 1982 and never knew that BF is supposed to be a big wild hairy biped? Never saw a picture? When you described what you saw to your friends... you never used the term "Bigfoot"? If one of them had asked, "Are you saying you saw a Bigfoot?" - would your response have been, "What is a Bigfoot?"

Of course I knew what Bigfoot was. He was a giant monster who fought Lee Majors on TV. Everyone knows what Bigfoot is. I was a 17 year old boy, busy chasing girls around and playing sports. Bigfoot was not something that interested me in the slightest.

 

[William Parcher]

Everyone,

I am in this only for answers.

What are the questions you have for which you seek answers?

 

[WGBH]

I don't know if you'll be able to find any now or anywhere but it's worth a shot.

1) How old were you at the time? ETA: 17 years old. Got it.

2) How would you describe you life the in months before and the months after the encounter?

1. I was a month away from turning 18. My Birthday is Oct 4. The sighting was labor day weekend in the end of August/ beginning of Sept.

2. I was preparing to start my senior year in High School. School Started on the Tuesday. My sighting was on Saturday Morning.