Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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WGBH said:
The muscles on the neck, arms and back. Such as the deltoids, lats and triceps. The fur was mated and caked with mud in places. There were also some thinner fur patches where it was easier to view the skin, especially in places on the back. The fur on the depiction is cosmetically neater then the real animal. That artwork is to be used for a book by the artist, so keep that in mind.
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I didn't realize you already had a pic of it. Can you link that? WP's was NG.

ETA: Duh. Nevermind me. I'm having a blonde moment. It's in your Blogsquatch report already linked on my bookmarks. That's the picture you put on Roger Patterson's grave when you went to Yakima. I think I may have asked you about that before (or wanted to).

Here it is:

http://blogsquatcher.blogspot.com/2009/04/round-mulberry-bush.html
 
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kitakaze said:
That's right. I'm going to proceed with the idea that John saw what he says he saw - a 9ft x 6ft sasquatch in the swamp. I need to begin trying to wrap my mind around how we miss these things.

John, I don't expect you to have these answer, BTW.

These things are bigger than grizzly bears and living in North Carolina in well travelled areas. Here is the Great Dismal swamp in the winter:

http://www.unur.com/sinan/album/Assateague_Island/assateague_island_2006_0212_130525aa.jpg

John saw this thing stripping leaves off a plant the way a gorilla would. If this thing is a herbivore, it has to be eating basically non-stop. If it's omnivorous, what does it eat? I suppose it could pick up one of those horses in that picture and just slam it on the ground and then eat it. It could pick up a bear and eat it as well, I guess. I can't really imagine this thing running around in the swamp after food. I suppose it could throw some boulders or a tree if it liked.

I feel like there are clunking sounds happening in my head and smoke coming out of my ears. I really am hitting a wall with a breeding population of up to 9x6 land mammals that live in areas well traversed by humans yet remain uncatalogued. One of the first videos I linked discussed how think and impenetrable much of the vegetation is around there. If you're 9x6, do you just plow it down like MOTSfoot and clear out all the woodland creatures ahead of you?
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Kit,

I totally agree with what you said. It is hard to wrap ones mind around this. I have no explanation for what I saw. But I did see it. Who says it lives in the swamp? Maybe it was just passing through? The area has tons of deer and other wildlife. I am not an outdoors man. I am just now learning about the woods. I do not know what the heck happened to me. But I hope to understand it someday.
 
WGBH said:
Kit,

I totally agree with what you said. It is hard to wrap ones mind around this. I have no explanation for what I saw. But I did see it. Who says it lives in the swamp? Maybe it was just passing through? The area has tons of deer and other wildlife. I am not an outdoors man. I am just now learning about the woods. I do not know what the heck happened to me. But I hope to understand it someday.
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I bet you can guess Neil Burgstahler or Henry Franzoni would have a good explanation for you...

:alien011:

Think about it all the paranormal phenomena in the area, a lake made from a meteorite...

This would almost work easier for me.:D

Seriously, though, passing through is still hard for me because your 9x6 and you have to pass from somewhere.
 
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kitakaze said:
Thanks. I used to rock at photoshop and it's been a while since I've tried doing anything other than lolbigfoots on a computer. I'm farting around now with Paint taking Sasquatch and cutting him off at the waist and redoing him to your description. How about the shape of the mouth? How could you tell there were no whites to the eyes at 50 yards? I'm trying to visualize that and it's hard.
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Yes it was difficult to see the eyes. First of all when it would turn around to look in my direction, I would duck my head down in fear. The eyes were set back under the brow so they had a dark appearance. Maybe it did have eye whites? But I did not see any, they looked very dark. Most of my facial looks were done in profile view.

Oh Yeah, I forgot. When the animal was chewing, I could see the jaw muscles on the temple flexing.
 
kitakaze said:
I bet you can guess Neil Burgstahler or Henry Franzoni would have a good explanation for you...

:alien011:

Think about it all the paranormal phenomena in the area, a lake made from a meteorite...

This would almost work easier for me.:D

Seriously, though, passing through is still hard for me because your 9x6 and you have to pass from somewhere.
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OMG! Don't mention Franzoni to me. One night after listening to him on a radio show, I had nightmares that Bigfoot anal probed me when I was under infrasound control.
 
When I walked over to where it had been standing, I could tell by where it's head was on the tree, that it was 9' tall.
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John, why does the artwork show it feeding on bushes instead of a tree?
 
William Parcher said:
John, why does the artwork show it feeding on bushes instead of a tree?
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It was feeding on a berry bush or shrub. There were trees around it but it was not eating the trees. They were pine trees. The foliage in the area that it was standing in was very thick. When it stepped away, I could no longer see it.
 
I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it was a mulberry.

JC looked for footprints under the tree, but there weren’t any there.
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In reality, you were looking under a bush?
 
But you did tell Donlon that it was feeding from a tree and that you used that tree to guage its height, yes?
 
William Parcher said:
But you did tell Donlon that it was feeding from a tree and that you used that tree to guage its height, yes?
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I used a tree to gauge its height and it was eating from a bush. There could have been a mix up or misunderstanding. Again, the trees were pine trees. It was not eating pine trees.
 
John, you mentioned other reports from Great Dismal. Looking at the BFRO I get nothing else from that area or surrounding counties in NC or VA. Nothing in Perquimans, Camden, Gates, or anywhere. It's like your one report from 1982 is on an island surrounded by nothing. Do you have links to those other Dismal reports we can see?

BTW, for all the time I've spent performing music in the U.S., it think maybe it bothers me that I know far more about U.S. states, counties, and geography from Bigfoot skepticism than I do from music tours. :o
 
I used a tree to gauge its height and it was eating from a bush. There could have been a mix up or misunderstanding. Again, the trees were pine trees. It was not eating pine trees.
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In that respect, the report is misleading. The art shows one thing (more accurate) and the story tells something different.

So it was feeding on unknown berry bushes that were about waist-height and you could see those berries from about 50 yards away, yes?
 
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William Parcher said:
In that respect, the report is misleading. The art shows one thing (more accurate) and the story tells something different.

So it was feeding on unknown berry bushes that were about waist-height and you could see those berries from about 50 yards away, yes?
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The report and the article are not misleading. That is what happened to me.The reports are what I remember to the best of my ability. Yes I saw it trying to eat the berries, it did not like them! The berry bush was not waist high to the animal. That is the brush surrounding him not the Berry bush. Believe the story and not the artwork.

I am not responsible for creating the artwork.The artwork is a ARTISTS RENDITION of the animal I saw. It is not perfect. All I did was share it with all of you. It is a very nice picture that is a good representation of the animal I saw, but that is all. Do not read too much into the artwork, for goodness sakes.
 
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Thanks for the clarification.

I do not know what you saw but I think you can understand better than anyone that the idea of a species of mammal up to 9ft, 5ft wide living in the swamps of North Carolina is pretty extreme.
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I know exactly what John saw....if he saw anything. It was Bigfoot, beyond a shadow of a doubt.


There are only 2 plausible explanations for his sighting report...

1) He saw Bigfoot.....or...

2) He's making the whole story up.

I think he's being honest, and saw a real, live Bigfoot.


The other options...misidentified Bear, and a guy in a suit, just aren't plausible because of the clarity and duration of the sighting....and the description of the creature.


Seeing as how the Jref crowd puts no weight on 'anecdotal' evidence...such as sighting reports....I'm wondering why skeptics here are even bothering to ask John questions about his sighting.

Regardless of what his answers are....the verdict, by Randi's Heroes, is pre-determined. His sighting testimony is an "extremely weak cup of coffee".

Is that not right??



Here is a beautiful example of the weight attributed to Bigfoot evidence, in Randi-Land...:)...


I recently asked kitakaze...(a.k.a..."Thunder-Cheeks")....to provide an example of 'Bigfoot evidence' which carries some amount of weight....(weak, or moderately strong)....

Give us all ONE example of Bigfoot evidence which carries either a low, fair, or moderate amount of weight, indicating Bigfoot may exist.
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And this is the strongest-rated evidence he could come up with...


Sure thing, Fibby... err... Sweaty.

The PGF has the extremely remote chance of actually showing a Bigfoot.
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"Extremely remote"... ;)


How then could John's report possibly be given any weight, above only a 'remote probability'?



This just in.....from Old Thunder-Butt...:cool:...

Incredibly poor or weak evidence to suggest Bigfoot may exist? Yes.

Reliable or high quality evidence of significant weight to suggest Bigfoot may exist? No. Zilch.
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WGBH said:
The report and the article are not misleading. That is what happened to me.The reports are what I remember to the best of my ability. Yes I saw it trying to eat the berries, it did not like them! The berry bush was not waist high to the animal. That is the brush surrounding him not the Berry bush. Believe the story and not the artwork.
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I want to thank you for your patience here. You are answering all of the questions. John, I read the report several times and never once thought it was feeding from something other than an unknown berry tree. That is because the report says "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it was a mulberry." It should actually read "I asked JC if he ever found out what tree the creature was eating from, and he told me that it wasn't a tree and was instead a mulberry bush." Or, your correction would have caused him to revise and we would never see the phrase "...tree the creature was eating from,"

You said you didn't see any tracks under or around the bush. Did your friends look around on the ground there too?
 
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