So Silverstein "pulled" his buildings so he could go broke rebuilding them?
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TJM
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Not going to say it. Too easy.
I apologize, but sometimes you have to stress certain points.
If you wanted to explain to a child how you'd go about determining if all the firefighters had been evacuated before the courtesy call to Silverstein was made, here's what you'd do:
First, you ask him what time the evacuation was completed.
Next, you ask him what time the call to Silverstein was made.
Finally, you ask him to compare the two times.
What happens when we try this approach with Ultima1's "evidence"?
We notice that we DON'T KNOW when the last man left the building.
We notice that we DON'T KNOW when, or even if, Silverstein was called.
Therefore, we can't possibly know if all the men had been pulled before someone called Silverstein.
Ultima1 persists in posting statments that are quite mad. Although many people have made this exact point, I just drew a warning for it. It is not possible to focus on such "arguments" without considering the arguer.
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Do you have evidence that Chief Nigro AND Chief Hayden are lying?
Do you have evidence that the firemen were in the building when the call was made?
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So you have no record of Silverstein making a phone call? Are you saying Silverstein is lying?
Nobody is as uncomprehending as you seem to be.
Nobody sane thinks that Nigro and Hayden are lying.
You do not know when the last firefighter left the collapse zone.
You do not know who called Silverstein, when the call was made, or for that matter, IF the call was made.
It is some perverse form of curiosity that drives me to respond to your posts. Your desperate thrashing has you lurching from one self-contradictory falsehood to another. You don't seem able to understand anything people write. I use large fonts and bold the key words, yet you can't understand I word I post.
I keep saying the same thing over and over. You can't grasp a very simple message.
You evidently missed post #404. Not that it will do any good, but try reading it.
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Ultima, is it fair to call you a liar for not presenting evidence a 40 story building has been pulled prior to 9=11 while it was on fire or should I give you 2 more days?
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I note his post count has gone down since your challenge. I therefore propose we extend it indefinitely.
Hokulele
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It has already been extended a couple of weeks.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4749666#post4749666
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The firefighters were pretty sure WTC7 was going to collapse and they pulled the guys back, not the building.
From Firehouse Magazine April 2002
"... but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
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Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day.
Silverstein vindicated
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Sorry but the facts speak for themselves and cannot be debated.
Fact: Chief Nigro evacuated the firemen from the building BEFORE talking to anyone. That means BEFORE the phone call.
Fact: Chief hayden supports the fact that he under orders from Chief Nigro evacuated ALL firemen from the building and behind a safety zone early in the day.
Fact: LT. David Rastuccio stated in an interview that they had a plan to bring down the building.
Fact: Any researchb done will show that the fire commander can have a building brought doen in an emergency.
FACT: THE FIRE COMMANDER COULD HAVE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING WHEN HE STATED "PULL IT".
END OF STORY
Fact: Chief Nigro evacuated the firemen from the building BEFORE talking to anyone. That means BEFORE the phone call.
Fact: Chief hayden supports the fact that he under orders from Chief Nigro evacuated ALL firemen from the building and behind a safety zone early in the day.
Fact: LT. David Rastuccio stated in an interview that they had a plan to bring down the building.
Fact: Any researchb done will show that the fire commander can have a building brought doen in an emergency.
FACT: THE FIRE COMMANDER COULD HAVE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING WHEN HE STATED "PULL IT".
END OF STORY
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Has anyone at Pretend NSA Headquarters been able to find why everyone involved in this perfectly innocuous demolition decided to lie to the world about it? Please check with your fellow pretend analysts at your next pretend meeting and get back to me.
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Facts are liers so you can't trust 'em. What you need is someone to interpet those facts for you lest ye be decieved.
FACT: All fire departments have CD squads to deal with dangerous building so why hide that they dealt with #7.
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No, you're lying again. We have no idea who, if anyone, called Larry Silverstein. Nigro states that he didn't make the call and doesn't know who did. You have no idea when the last firefighter was pulled from the collapse zone.
Really? How early? Oh, right, YOU DON'T KNOW! You have no idea when the last firefighter was pulled.
Liar. Nobody in the FDNY ever said anything about bringing down WTC7.
You've been caught lying again. No demolition company could bring down a 47-story building without weeks, even months, of preparation. Your statement is a silly falsehood.
This particular stupidity is dead. Large buildings cannot be "pulled," brought by attaching cables. To demolition professionals, "pulling" has nothing to do with explosives.
Whoops, you've been caught telling lots of really stupid lies again! Yes, this story has ended. A crazy fraud has been exposed.
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So your saying that everyone lied?
But he did state the firemen were evacuated without him talking to anyone, that means before the call becasue he did not talk to Silverstien or a fire commander.
We have Chief Haydens statement all firemen were out of the buidling and behind the safety zone hours before the building was brought down.
Yes, we have Chief Haydens statement about the time the firemen were out of the building.
So your saying the LT. lied
NO i have posted facts that you cannot debate. Have a nice day.
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Admittedly, you are shockingly unintelligent, but nobody's that thick. The only person who might have lied is Silverstein. We have only his word that someone from the FDNY actually placed a courtesy call to him. Maybe someone did; maybe not. Nobody with the fire department is lying about anything
You really should seek medical attention. If Nigro states that he didn't call Silverstein, I'll take his word for it. I don't know how many times you need to hear that we don't know who, if anyone, made the call. We have no idea when the call might have been made, and WE DO NOT KNOW WHEN THE LAST FIREFIGHTER WAS PULLED FROM THE COLLAPSE ZONE. GET IT?
STOP THESE INSANE LIES! The building was not "brought down." Nobody believes this but mentally-ill liars pushing a sick political agenda. There were NO explosives and nobody demolished WTC 7.
How can you lie so stupidly? Hayden's statement is familiar to almost everyone here. Who are you planning to deceive?
NO, HAYDEN DOES NOT TELL US WHEN THE LAST FIREFIGHTER WAS PULLED. YOU CAN REPEAT YOUR INSANE FALSEHOODS UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND THEY STILL WON'T BE TRUE.
You are hopeless. How do you manage to get through the day? Can you understand anything anyone says to you?
You have been exposed as an incredibly obtuse liar.
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Chief Nigro stated he did not talk to anyone before he evacuated the firemen so i take his word for it, and it means the firemen were out of the building before the call.
So you are saying Chief Hayden lied about the time all the firemen were out of the building.
So why are you saying he lied about the time?
Here is the time from Chief Hayden, stop the lies.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7? did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn?t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn?t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn?t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon.