The ones that you and others cannot prove were even used in the trial.
Or if they were you cannot post them.
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no serial numbers were identified from flight 77
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The ones that you and others cannot prove were even used in the trial.
Or if they were you cannot post them.
Well i am not a conspiracy nut so you must not mean me.
Also i can post reports and information to support what i post.
I did not say they were official crimainal reports did i?
I did not lie, reported yet again.
No you can't.
I was teaching kids the other day and asked them if I lost a plane and found a bunch of wreckage and the DNA of all the passengers on the plane when it took off were found and the plane was tracked on RADAR to the crash site would you know where the plane was? All the kids in grade school said yes and they were right. Why are grade school kids capable of logic and you a crack NSA agent who doesn't know COMSEC rules and can't produce the regulation to show we need serial numbers for aircraft identification on 911 figure out things logically?
Here is some hard evidence proved by DNA from all the remains found in the Pentagon on 911 who boarded Flight 77 and it never landed, it crashed where the RADAR track for 77 stops.
http://www.inmemoriamonline.net/List_AA77.html
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Charles F. Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.
David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."
Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.
Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.
Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.
Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.
P A S S E N G E R S
Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.
Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.
M.J. Booth
Bernard Curtis Brown II, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
William Caswell
Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Zandra Cooper: see Zandra F. Ploger
James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."
Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.
Dee Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.
Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.
Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.
Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.
Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.
Norma Langsteuerle
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.
Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.
Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.
Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.
Robert R. Ploger III, 59, husband of Zandra F. Ploger, of Annandale VA, was a software architect at Lockheed Martin Corp. They were on their Honeymoon to Hawaii, one day shy of their 4th month wedding anniversary.
Zandra F. Ploger (listed also as Zandra Cooper), 48, wife of Robert R. Ploger III, of Annandale VA, worked for IBM for about 20 years.
Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.
Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.
Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.
Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.
Sandra Teague, 31, physical therapist, Georgetown University Hospital
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.
John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng
If you have proof these people were not on 77 or the DNA was planted you better go tell the relatives now.
Tell us why serial numbers are needed?
Show us the regulation saying serial numbers are required for aircraft identification.
Yes i can and have.
Well i am not a kid, i have education, background and intelligence to know when things are not correct. I also do not go just by what i have been told by the media or others.
Lie! You have not presented regulations or instructions that state serial numbers are needed to verify a plane ID. Post sources and stop telling lies.
No the FDR is solid evidence and it is why it is used; it is not a witness it is what 77 did on 911 and it shows the exact heading 77 hit the Pentagon at. It proves 77 flew to the Pentagon. So this is a SECOND LIE from you in one posts.
You have no posted anything from the FAA to show serial numbers are required to verify a planes ID. So this is LIE number three.
Three lies in one post; is that a record for you?
There were no doubts about the ID of planes on 911 in just the first few hours on 911. It is sad but when 4 planes are seen crashing and only four plane don't come back on 911. It is simple logic. The ID of planes on 911 known on 911 is verified by RADAR data, DNA and 2 of the FDRs.
To deny this and spew lies about serial numbers being needed is pathetic.
You have failed. No regulation says serial numbers are needed.
The kids are able to make logical conclusions; and you have education you say you have. You don't understand the COMSEC rules and you have education?
Please show by regulation where the ID of a plane has to made from parts at the crash scenes.
You posted the NTSB saying if they had no clue what plane it was serial numbers could be used. This implies serial numbers are not needed when we know the plane that crashed. All four planes on 911 were identified on 911 by the news reporters finding information. You have taken 7 years to figure out nothing but to spew the 911liars "serial number ploy" to cast doubt so they can sell DVDs of lies for 15.95.
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There we have it folks. Ultima7 has said that flight77 did not impact the pentagon.
I will now await his evidence as to where he things flight77 did end up.
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How can you do that when you say we don't have enough facts and evidence?
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Of course, he'll deny denying it and demand proof that he did so. And of course, he won't actually come out and say unequivocally what he thinks/believes actually happened.
And around and around and around it goes......
And around and around and around it goes......
No, you're doing nothing of the sort. I stated very specifically that Dave Bottiglia described his and his colleagues' reaction as they tracked Flight 175 right into the South Tower. I thought that Flight 77 was lost to radar for twenty minutes or so, but the extremely knowledgeable Reheat showed me that I was mistaken.
What's left of your position? Air traffic controllers tracked three of the planes very closely. The fourth was not actually lost after all.
I'm glad you keep pounding the frauds with this one. The imaginary conspiracy fakes everything else, so why didn't it produce whatever serial numbers it required?
Yes, all the evidence shows that four planes took off, were hijacked, and crashed--three of them into their targets and one brought down in a struggle. It is a fact that air traffic controllers tracked the planes right into the towers. It is a fact that remains of the passengers and crews were found at the crash sites.
Passengers board a plane, take off, and then their remains are found at the crash site of the plane. PLEASE EXPLAIN.
There is overwhelming evidence proving what happened. You are unable to understand any of it. Apathoid asked specific questions about serial numbers. You refused to answer any of them. What sort of evidence would you NOT wave away with a mindless assertion that it has been faked?
Beachnut,
I'm directing my question to you, Apathoid, Reheat, and 911files because you're all exceptionally knowledgeable about planes. Apathoid pretty much explained what I wanted to know, but he didn't fill in all the details for someone (like me) who knows squat about the airlines industry.
Are serial numbers ever important for a crash investigator? Does the FDR have a number that connects it to a specific plane? Apathoid has stated that parts are interchangeable, so do the serial numbers of certain parts ever show conclusively the exact flight involved?
The "truther" frauds pretend that there is a mystery about the identities of the planes that were hijacked on 9/11. I keep reminding them that air traffic controllers tracked those flights closely. But, should more serial-numbered parts have been found? As I ask this question, I keep wondering why the imaginary conspiracy wouldn't simply provide whatever serial numbers they require.