no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[BigAl]

Who said that AA77 did not hit the Pentagon?

It is clear that U1 (aka Mr. Literal) is simply negating any response that anybody posts. I'm off this thread. I can only advise someone to read a book so many times.

He has no actual knowledge about 9/11 that he admits to and he admits to no interest in considering any or all the evedence there is for the strandard story.

His slimy assertions about the first responders demanding or supporting any investigation about the core beliefs of the "Truth Movement" is creepy to someone that meets NY first responders on a regular basis. The "core beliefs" would involve 19 Islamists hijacking and crashing 4 civilian jets into buildings in Washington and NY as well as man-made demolition and "pools of molten steel" on the pile.

 

[ULTIMA1]

He has no actual knowledge about 9/11 that he admits to and he admits to no interest in considering any or all the evedence there is for the strandard story.

Yes i do not have any actual knowledge becasue i was not there.

There is no real evidence for the standard story, no matter how much you want it to be.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Actual facts and evidence that can be verified, also official FBI and NTSB criminal reports.

What sorts of facts and evidence? How could they be verified? I'm talking about specifics. And why couldn't official FBI and NTSB reports be faked?

But DNA is not used to ID a plane in a criminal investigation.

Did you only read the first phrase, or did you read the rest of my explanation about how yes, DNA can be used (indirectly) to identify a plane.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Yes i do not have any actual knowledge becasue i was not there.

There is no real evidence for the standard story, no matter how much you want it to be.

Are you suggesting that all the "evidence" that has been presented has been faked?

 

[BenBurch]

But DNA is not used to ID a plane in a criminal investigation.

Your utter ignorance of criminal law is STUNNING.

I mean not just sad. Not just surprising. STUNNING. How is it even possible that a person could get through the Civics classes required of every High School student in this nation and have so little understanding of how the criminal justice system proceeds?

What is acceptable in a criminal investigation? ANYTHING that the court accepts as evidence and the jury is convinced by. Nothing more. Nothing less. The court has accepted identifications by DOGS. And juries have convicted on them.

Nothing requires the serial numbers of anything. And in fact, if a prosecutor felt the need to put all such into evidence the jury would probably wonder why this was necessary, and it might work against conviction.

Go read some books on criminal justice, and come back here when you have even the slightest clue about what you are talking about.

And stop pretending to be a spook. You aren't. Most of us stopped make-believe games when we were 7 or 8.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

There is no real evidence for the standard story, no matter how much you want it to be.

Evidence in the court of law must be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that an event took place and that the culprit was present at the scene. Beyond reasonable doubt does not mean absolute certainty.

Ultima, you keep dodge with the "I don't know what happened and I want a new investigation" canard. Clear something up first. Do you or do you NOT believe that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the plane did not crash into the Pentagon? If NOT then WHAT does the evidence to the contrary point out?

You claim on one hand that there's nothing to support proper identification of the plane (which stupidly relies on one facet of identification rather than an entire body of evidence), but on the other hand you deny saying that the plane DIDN'T hit when people conclude from your statement that this is your belief. Stop trying to wiggle for both ways and actually clarify your position, because "I don't know" ain't cutting it. You clearly post as if you KNOW something.

 

[T.A.M.]

Are you suggesting that all the "evidence" that has been presented has been faked?

Bingo. As I have said here many times. The recent rash of truthers on this forum consider ONLY evidence that backs up "The govt did it" or evidence they can actually themselves touch (for some reason Ultima believes that the big bad NWO would fake everything, but with the almighty power of the FOIA he is gonna get, FROM THEM, the ultimate proof that they did it).

When they come across a square peg, they merely shave it until it is round.

TAM

 

[BasqueArch]

Roger, you do realize you have made 125 posts today?

You do realize all your doing is perseverating?

You do realize that this could be a warning sign of some sort of chemical imbalance?

1. CTs ignore facts that contradict what they wish to believe.
2. CTs lack an alternative integrated explanation of the 9/11 events.
3. CTs hold these bizarre ideas with absolute conviction.
4. CTs hold these false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what constitutes irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

This is described by psychiatry as a Delusion, a pathological belief.

From Wiki:

"Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia and mania in episodes of bipolar disorder. "

"You can't reason someone out of something he was never reasoned into." - Swift

http://tinyurl.com/4slrf

 

[Mr.Herbert]

350 posts from Ultima1 in less than 24 hours. Does anyone else see something wrong with this?

 

[T.A.M.]

350 posts from Ultima1 in less than 24 hours. Does anyone else see something wrong with this?

yes, either more than one person using the account, or the man is an insomniac (did you see the posting times).

TAM

 

[BigAl]

yes, either more than one person using the account, or the man is an insomniac (did you see the posting times).

TAM

It's not like he puts a lot of work into research or typing for any of his posts.

I think he's off to his day job working at Monty Python's argument clinic.

 

[doobiedoright]

I never stated there was a conspiracy, i am looking for the truth not a conspiracy.

ULTIMA1
Master Poster

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,310


Last time i looked planning and hijacking planes was a conspiracy.



I have proved above you sir are a LIAR!


Your own words have let you down!

 

[tsig]

Your utter ignorance of criminal law is STUNNING.

I mean not just sad. Not just surprising. STUNNING. How is it even possible that a person could get through the Civics classes required of every High School student in this nation and have so little understanding of how the criminal justice system proceeds?

What is acceptable in a criminal investigation? ANYTHING that the court accepts as evidence and the jury is convinced by. Nothing more. Nothing less. The court has accepted identifications by DOGS. And juries have convicted on them.

Nothing requires the serial numbers of anything. And in fact, if a prosecutor felt the need to put all such into evidence the jury would probably wonder why this was necessary, and it might work against conviction.

Go read some books on criminal justice, and come back here when you have even the slightest clue about what you are talking about.

And stop pretending to be a spook. You aren't. Most of us stopped make-believe games when we were 7 or 8.

If he was given a list of serial numbers he would either deny it or just switch to some other aspect of 911.

 

[tsig]

Bingo. As I have said here many times. The recent rash of truthers on this forum consider ONLY evidence that backs up "The govt did it" or evidence they can actually themselves touch (for some reason Ultima believes that the big bad NWO would fake everything, but with the almighty power of the FOIA he is gonna get, FROM THEM, the ultimate proof that they did it).

When they come across a square peg, they merely shave it until it is round.

TAM

I disagree. They just get a bigger hammer. Shaving is for sissy's and shills.

 

[beachnut]

So?

How do you debunkers know for a fact what crashed where?

Were the 9/11 planes one of a kind? Can you even identify what kind of plane hit where?

How?

Serial numbers are not needed. There is so much evidence which plane hit where on 911 it is overwhelmingly clear to rational people. If you have problems with simple logic you can get help to learn how to think and understand 911.

How do rational people know? If you have doubts you could go to the NTSB where they took the RADAR tapes and drew you a map of where each plane went on 911 based on RADAR returns. So the data is from RADARs and the NTSB did the work for you and the FBI. You remain in ignorance and can't find anything; why?

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm

77's flight path. prove where 77 impacted

Flight 93 RADAR track shows where 93 went down.

The evidence is overwhelming clear and to deny it is ridiculous.

Given the RADAR tracks alone is enough to find the crash sites.
Flight 11 and 175 were also tracked on 911 to where they crashed.

This answered all your questions; need some help with some more moronic ideas you can't define about 911?

Have you found the regulation you said you have showing us we need serial numbers to identify 911 planes?
Can you explain why serial numbers are used in NTSB ACCIDENT reports?
Can you explain why serial numbers were not used in reports done for the FBI by the NTSB?

hint: look up accident reports at the NTSB and see why "accident reports" are special in the legal world...

 

[ULTIMA1]

How could they be verified?

Verified by research sources.

And why couldn't official FBI and NTSB reports be faked?

Are you saying they will be?

DNA can be used (indirectly) to identify a plane.

Indirectly used to ID a plane does not work in a crime scene investigation, even you should know that.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Last time i looked planning and hijacking planes was a conspiracy. [/B]!

I wa talking about the officail story. So you agree the official story is conspiracy?

I am not looking at the officail story conspircay i am looking for the truth of what really happened that day.

 

[ULTIMA1]

If he was given a list of serial numbers he would either deny it or just switch to some other aspect of 911.

NO, i am adult enough to accept facts and evidence, unlike you believers.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

NO, i am adult enough to accept facts and evidence, unlike you believers.

But your case stands on only one single artifact which is not exclusively required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the identity of the plane. May I ask why you ignore everything else that corroborates what you demand the serials numbers to prove?

 

[ULTIMA1]

But your case stands on only one single artifact which is not exclusively required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the identity of the plane. May I ask why you ignore everything else that corroborates what you demand the serials numbers to prove?

Well first off i have plenty of evidence that shows reasonable doubt in the offical story.

There has not been enough hard evidence to show beyond a reasonable doubt that AA77 hit the Pentagon.