no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[ULTIMA1]

It's called DNA, plane parts recovered at the scene, .

NO proper evidence and reports to support any of the above.

 

[Pardalis]

Define "proper".

 

[ULTIMA1]

Really? The "witnesses" were told the plane they saw was a 757? Who "told" them"?

Do the research on the witnesses and find out. It destroys the witness testimonies.

There is that inconvenience about the FDR and remains of the passengers and crew of Flight 77,

The FDR that has no serial numbers to match it to the plane?

No proper evidence or reports for the remains.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Define "proper".

The offical and correct reports from the investigating agencies.

 

[Arus808]

Many witnesses saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050306125425/http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They%20saw%20the%20aircraft.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20070114...newamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm

 

[ULTIMA1]

Many witnesses saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

And thier statemmets have to be questioned when you have one that was told it was a 757.

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

NAME: Scott P. Cook

LOCATION: fifth floor of the Portals building, at 1280 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington DC, the southernmost building at the end of 14th Street, right at the Tidal Basin and Maine Avenue

TESTIMONY: "We didn’t know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon. I cannot fathom why neither myself nor Ray, a former Air Force officer, missed a big 757, going 400 miles an hour, as it crossed in front of our window in its last 10 seconds of flight.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Air traffic controllers tracked them. DNA testing identified remains of the passengers and crews found at the crash sites. Four planes were missing: AA11, United175, AA77, and United 93. Are the airlines part of your imaginary conspiracy, too?

Listen. I'm not trying to gettcha or get the last word.

You're just wrong.

I believe it was post 193 that I quoted this...

Danielle O'Brien, air traffic controller in Dulles. September 11th, 2001 ~8:18 AM: Airport air traffic controller Danielle O'Brien (Dulles) handled the routine, on-time departure of American Flight 77:

"I slid over to the controller on my left, Tom Howell, and I asked him, 'Do you see an unidentified plane near southwest of Dulles? she remembered. "And his response was, 'Yes. Oh, my gosh, yes, look how fast he is.'" In the room, it was almost a sense of relief," O'Brien said. "This must be a fighter. This must be one of our guys sent in, scrambled to patrol our capital, and to protect our president." O'Brien had already handed Flight 77 off to a different air traffic control center. "And we waited. And we waited," O'Brien recalled. "And your heart is just beating out of your chest. And then the Washington National Airport controllers came over our speakers in our room and said, 'Dulles, hold all of our inbound traffic. The Pentagon's been hit. 9:06 AM"

Did you read it this time? Or did you just scroll your eyes down to here past all the hard parts? Do you need pictures?

I guess what I'm trying to find out is do you really care about 9/11?

 

[Gavron]

NO proper evidence and reports to support any of the above.

Except for all the proper evidence and reports used in the Moussaoui trial

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

From USA Today, Dec. 8, 2002.
Officials at Cleveland Center rush word to Washington: Hijackers have another flight.

At the Federal Aviation Administration's command center in Herndon, Va., Delta Flight 1989 joins a growing list of suspicious jets. Some of their flight numbers will be scrawled on a white dry-erase board throughout the morning. Eventually, the list will grow to 11.

One, a TWA flight, refuses to land in Pittsburgh and wants to fly on toward Washington. Another, a Midwest Express flight, disappears from radar over West Virginia. And three jets over the Atlantic Ocean are sending out distress signals, the Coast Guard reports.

Top managers at the FAA's command center fear the worst: Jets all over the country — including some over the oceans — are being hijacked. One after another.

So?

Does anyone here have a full inventory of all airliners?

Give it up.

 

[TexasJack]

So?

Does anyone here have a full inventory of all airliners?

Give it up.

Yes, DNA, plane parts recovered, phone calls, airlines confirmations, witnesses of the impact, etc...it's there, but your denial will not allow you to except it. It never will.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Yes, DNA, plane parts recovered, phone calls, airlines confirmations, witnesses of the impact, etc...it's there, but your denial will not allow you to except it. It never will.

DNA is maybe evidence of humans if you can produce the chain of custody. It is not how planes are identified.

Plane parts with identity marks might be if you could produce any. Or are you just trying to identify a kind of plane? So what? Were they one of a kind? Even on that day?

Phone calls? Can a phone call from a plane tell you where the plane is? Don't even try it.

Witnesses of what? I thought it was debunkers who need to claim what people who heard explosions REALLY meant.

Witnesses? To exactly what? They heard an explosion and looked up after the fact? Have you got the testimony?

 

[TexasJack]

DNA is maybe evidence of humans if you can produce the chain of custody. It is not how planes are identified.

Plane parts with identity marks might be if you could produce any. Or are you just trying to identify a kind of plane? So what? Were they one of a kind? Even on that day?

Phone calls? Can a phone call from a plane tell you where the plane is? Don't even try it.

Witnesses of what? I thought it was debunkers who need to claim what people who heard explosions REALLY meant.

Witnesses? To exactly what? They heard an explosion and looked up after the fact? Have you got the testimony?

It's called corroboration, something you obviously don't understand.

BTW, that was a pathetic attempt to hand wave away the DNA. That one hurts your little fantasy, doesn't it?

 

[Baylor]

DNA is maybe evidence of humans if you can produce the chain of custody.

Already produced.

It is not how planes are identified

Unless people were on the plane.

Plane parts with identity marks might be if you could produce any.

Any plane part is evidence. It's a crime scene. Why disregard evidence?

Or are you just trying to identify a kind of plane? So what? Were they one of a kind? Even on that day?

Incoherent.

Phone calls? Can a phone call from a plane tell you where the plane is?

No but they can tell you the events that took place on the airplane.

Witnesses of what? I thought it was debunkers who need to claim what people who heard explosions REALLY meant.

I've never heard that before.

Witnesses? To exactly what

The plane hitting the petnagon.

They heard an explosion and looked up after the fact?.

Source?

Have you got the testimony?

Of people saying they saw the plane hit the pentagon--of coursre.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

It's called corroboration, something you obviously don't understand.

BTW, that was a pathetic attempt to hand wave away the DNA. That one hurts your little fantasy, doesn't it?

DNA is used to identify planes?

Since when?

 

[TexasJack]

DNA is used to identify planes?

Since when?

Oh, so according to you, nobody boarded the planes? Brilliant.

 

[BCR]

I am not the one in denial. You keep telling me these things (most of which you can't even produce) like they prove something.

Admit it. You either have blind faith or just a need to pile on where you see someone being kicked. That's all this place is about.

It's how I know you have nothing.

What is stundie about?

What is posting FAIL all about?

What is posting laughing dogs all about?

You come here for a pile on nothing else.

You don't care about 9/11.

HI, I don't know about all that, but what I do know is, the plane (which was identified by American Airlines as flight 77) took off that morning from Dulles International. I have radar data that permits me to follow that aircraft from the moment it took off until the time it disappeared from radar just west of the Pentagon near the Sheraton Hotel. The record is continuous and unambiguous. According to every eyewitness who could see, that same plane struck the Pentagon. Not one eyewitness saw it in the air past that moment, and that includes the AT controllers at Reagan and the pilots of other planes in the area.

So what do the serial numbers have to do with anything? We know for a fact that the plane that took off from Dulles hit the Pentagon.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Ultima: I note that you still have not taken the time to address post 702. Is there a reason for this?


HI: Concerning DNA identifying the plane... Joe Smith is at the airport. He checks his luggage; this is entered into the computer. He checks his ticket, also entered. He goes to the gate and presents his boarding pass; also entered. This is the paper trail. He kisses his wife goodbye, who waves to him as he gets on the plane. His kids stand at the window and watch the plane pull away and take off. Air traffic controllers track the plane until just a few minutes before there is a huge explosion at the Pentagon. The plane is never seen again, and Joe's DNA is found among the wreckage.

Now, if the plane that he originally got on was not the same as the one that crashed, how do you explain the above scenario?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Except for all the proper evidence and reports used in the Moussaoui trial

Which couold be torn apart in a court on thier own.

Thats why OBL has not been charged with 9/11.

ULTIMA1, if you wish to begin or contribute to a thread about whether or not OBL has been charged with the 9/11 attacks, you may do so. You may NOT continue to derail threads with different subjects.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: prewitt81

 

[ULTIMA1]

Yes, DNA, plane parts recovered, phone calls, airlines confirmations, witnesses of the impact, etc...it's there, but your denial will not allow you to except it. It never will.

You should say plane parts that cannot be verified which plane they go to.

Witnesses that statements need to be questioned.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Now, if the plane that he originally got on was not the same as the one that crashed, how do you explain the above scenario?

Sorry but DNA is not used in a crime scene investigation to id a plane. Things like serial numbers are.