Truthers and the FDNY

[ElMondoHummus]

my cousin was on the first tower hit. He was up on about the 8th floor or so (he's close enough to see down, but wasn't close enough to get out on time)

I was on the phone with him an hour before the planes hit, we have this daily ritual when he works. it was otherwise a normal day like any other.

about 40-45 minutes before the planes hit, he said he saw "fire fighters" enter the building carrying large black "duffel" bags, about a dozen of them.

What he described as men wearing fire fighter uniforms.
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Even if this story was true - and I'm sorry, but you've provided zero corroboration of any of the points in your post - it doesn't matter. There could have been 100 men carrying duffel bags. Your cousin could have been on the 80th, not 8th, floor (presuming a typo on your part). They could have indeed arrived hours earlier and been loaded completely down with material. They could have made multiple trips. It doesn't matter. The overwhelming mountain of evidence says that the towers fell due to impact damage and fire, exacerbated by the design of the towers, the failure of the fireproofing, and the inability to actually fight the fire and mitigate the effects. So whatever those men were doing there - presuming they were there to begin with - they are irrelevant to the collapse, because nothing about the collapse indicates any involvement of any elements other than the ones already known.

So no, no one's able to answer the question of who they were. But there is one possibility that can be eliminated beyond doubt, and that's that those men - again, presuming they truly existed - had anything to do with the collapse of the towers. We can clearly and unambiguously eliminate the thesis that they installed anything that assisted the towers collapse by virtue of knowing that the towers were not brought down by incendiaries, explosives, or anything other than the fire and impact damage.

 

[ULTIMA1]

I can and have posted lots of evidence but you keep proving you will not accept it.

You and others have zero evidence to back the ridiculous official story.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Rescue units don't carry charges.

But you do know there were demo units there too don't you?

 

[ULTIMA1]

I guess even a fake NSA analyst can get it right once and a while.

What did i say i was going to do if you said fake NSA analyst again? Do i have to bring in the mods ?

 

[FineWine]

I can and have posted lots of evidence but you keep proving you will not accept it.

You and others have zero evidence to back the ridiculous official story.

This is a serious question. Have you sought medical help? You prance from one thread to the next getting demolished by people who point out the fantastic leaps of logic you make and the gaping holes in your "arguments."
You never answer the simplest, most straightforward questions, all the while insisting that you have posted "facts" that nobody else can discern. Wouldn't it be better if you took a break from this disturbing display and attempted to put your house in order?

 

[ULTIMA1]

This is a serious question. Have you sought medical help? ?

Reported breach of rule 12.

 

[FineWine]

But you do know there were demo units there too don't you?

It is IMPOSSIBLE to prep a 47-story building, one that is BURNING, in a matter of hours. No sounds of explosives going off were heard or recorded.

Please stop.

 

[FineWine]

Reported breach of rule 12.

Yes, you can report anything you like. Your behavior raises questions.

 

[johnny karate]

What did i say i was going to do if you said fake NSA analyst again? Do i have to bring in the mods ?

I believe the forbidden term was "pretend NSA" which I have dutifully refrained from using.

 

[ULTIMA1]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to prep a 47-story building, one that is BURNING, in a matter of hours.
Please stop.

WRONG, please do research.

It is not impossible to prep a buidling in a emergency, specailly one thats already unstable.

No sounds of explosives going off were heard or recorded.

Maybe because of the large safety zone area that the fire chiefs set up wehn evacuating the buidling ealry in the day before the call to Silverstein.

Also there is only a small amount of explosives needed for small kicker charges.

 

[ULTIMA1]

I believe the forbidden term was "pretend NSA" which I have dutifully refrained from using.

Sorry have to talk to mods for your immature attacks and name calling.

 

[beachnut]

What did i say i was going to do if you said fake NSA analyst again? Do i have to bring in the mods ?

You are a fake analyst it was proved when you made the COMSEC violations. Those are serious violations and you had no clue and when you were reported it was found you are not an NSA analyst so you can't violate COMSEC making up lies on the Internet and exposing your lack of knowledge; you are not one of them; you have no clearance.

You are saying the FD planted bombs and you have the same pile of evidence you have for all your 911 claims.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You are a fake analyst it was proved when you made the COMSEC violations.

Either prove i am a fake or leave the forum now. I will get the mods involved.

 

[The Big Dog]

But you do know there were demo units there too don't you?

Face palm.

I refuse to return to 2003 to explain how insanely misinformed this is.

Why don't you post the picture of the demolition truck, a/k/a garbage truck for all of us?

 

[FineWine]

WRONG, please do research.

It is not impossible to prep a buidling in a emergency, specailly one thats already unstable.



Maybe because of the large safety zone area that the fire chiefs set up wehn evacuating the buidling ealry in the day before the call to Silverstein.

Also there is only a small amount of explosives needed for small kicker charges.

Obviously asking you again to explain the secrecy will get me nowhere. Demolition professionals are unanimous in rejecting your ridiculous "movement's" myths about explosives. No sounds of explosives going off were heard or recorded. No physical evidence for explosives was found. It remains IMPOSSIBLE to prep a 47-story building for demolition in matter of hours. No remotely plausible motive for your imaginary conspiracy has ever been suggested.
You know absolutely nothing about demolishing large buildings.

 

[Gavron]

I can and have posted lots of evidence but you keep proving you will not accept it.

Sorry but if you have any intelligence you would know that if you state the building was brought down with "cutters", the onus is on you to prove it.

So please either show the evidence that cutters were used to bring down WTC or be adult enough to admit you do not have the evidence.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Let's also presume that he was on the 80th floor of the "first tower that was hit" (that would be the North Tower i.e. WTC 1). FL 11 impacted above that, centered at around the 96th floor.

The only way this story makes sense - and I'm granting some seriously huge latitude here - is if said cousin either 1. Ignored the evacuation, or 2. Was outside, somehow went back inside to assist, and was somehow trapped when WTC 1 fell. The "wasn't close enough to get out on time" sentence suggests the former.

Now, if there was another typo, or a misunderstanding, the cousin could have been in WTC 2. But, that wasn't the first building that was hit.

Anyway, my point is this: There is not enough there to say that the story is false. However, whatever elements that CaptainCapacitor is presenting are clearly misunderstood by CaptainCapacitor, because they do not square well with known facts.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Obviously asking you again to explain the secrecy will get me nowhere.

Why don't you ask the firefighters, i was not there and neither were you.

You know there is something called a FOIA request don't you ?

. You know absolutely nothing about demolishing large buildings.

Well seems like i know more then you. You do know there are more ways to bring down a buidling without explosives don't you?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Sorry but if you have any intelligence you would know that if you state the building was brought down with "cutters", the onus is on you to prove it..

And the onus is on you to be adult enough to accept and admit when facts and evidecne is shown, so far you track record shows you cannot do this.

 

[Gavron]

You can bring down large buildings by crashing airplanes into them. Or you can bring them down by crashing airplanes into the building NEXT to them, and have debris from that collapsing building cause enough damage to bring it down.