Truthers and the FDNY

[1337m4n]

WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column.

How so? There are no characteristics that would indicate a demolition.

 

[Alt+F4]

You are giving the debunkers an opportunity to ignore the more important point that WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column.

Why would the evil-doers want to destroy WTC 7?

 

[1337m4n]

WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column. An hypothesis for which there is no physical evidence to support it.

And, pray tell, what "physical evidence" supports CD?

If there is none, then you have no logical reason to be biased in favor of CD.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm confident you will never recognize the irony of your statement.

I'm confident you will never actually address the issue, and instead continue to hide behind feeble attempts at clever one-liners.

 

[FineWine]

Well i did not say fire fighters i stated fire RESCUE units. There is a difference.




Sawsall

cutting torches

These will cut a beam.

I frequently get the feeling that I'm overlooking something obvious, but humor me. If cutting beams to cause an unstable building to collapse is routinely done, why on earth would we be discussing this? Why wouldn't the fire department and all other parties involved have simply announced that the collapse of WTC 7 was going to be assisted so that it fell in a controlled, safer manner? What conceivable purpose would suppressing this information serve? In reality, of course, WTC 7 did not fall in a controlled, safe manner.

Please acknowledge that you realize, on sober reflection, how ridiculous you are making yourself appear.

 

[FineWine]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean they'd be able to drop WTC 7 so neatly the day of the attacks.

You have to realize you are exactly the type of poster these debunkers love to seize upon. You are making unsupported claims that the FDNY would be in any position to bring down WTC on 9/11, and they were not.

You are giving the debunkers an opportunity to ignore the more important point that WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column. An hypothesis for which there is no physical evidence to support it.

You ignored my questions about Larry Silverstein's conversation with the fire chief. You bizarrely characterized his straightforward agreement with the department's assessment as "nonsensical" and "dishonest," although it is impossible to see why it could be regarded as either. Now, please explain how a collapse that featured no sounds of explosives going off can be "consistent" with a demolition using explosives.

 

[FineWine]

I'm confident you will never recognize the irony of your statement.

Perhaps that's because there is no irony in his statement. There is a considerable amount in yours.

 

[1337m4n]

And, pray tell, what "physical evidence" supports CD?

If there is none, then you have no logical reason to be biased in favor of CD.

Yo RedIbis. Would you please answer my question?

I am asking politely.

 

[Seymour Butz]

BTW, I made a double Stundie nomination for those claims.

I should add that not one do the famous FDNY Rescue companies (made up, oddly enough, of firefighters) do rescue work, so does the NYPD Emergency Services Unit. AFAIK, neither has any mandate to demolish large buildings.

No kidding.

The sheer stupidity of suggesting that ANYONE would go inside the building to cut beams with the intent of bringing it down to prevent fire spreading to other buildings is..... mind boggling.

For when you cut the beams, the building might fall on your head. And preventing the building from falling on your head would FIRST require a study of the structural integrity..... quite the difficult task when the building is on fire and the integrity is an ever changing factor.

This whole suggestion from U1 is equally as stupid as saying a tree topper climbs trees, and then tops it below him. Of course he could do that, but he'd also go down with the tree top.


Absolutely trollish to even state something like that.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

No kidding.

The sheer stupidity of suggesting that ANYONE would go inside the building to cut beams with the intent of bringing it down to prevent fire spreading to other buildings is..... mind boggling.

Not to mention the idea that a sawzall would be used to cut through steel structural elements.

 

[Dog Town]

...The sheer stupidity ...quite the difficult task when the building is on fire and the integrity is an ever changing factor.
...

How about the special kind of crazy that would be required, to haul a torch rig into this situation? Only twoofers can make this tripe up, and believe it!

ETA: what Skinny said as well. Though you could eventually cut a beam with a sawzall.I wonder how many blades, and how long that would take?

 

[Woody-]

Well i did not say fire fighters i stated fire RESCUE units. There is a difference.

Didn't you guys here that a guy named Clark Kent joined the fire RESCUE unit on Sept. 10, 2001. He was the expert in bringing down a burning building without getting hurt.

 

[FineWine]

Yo RedIbis. Would you please answer my question?

I am asking politely.

He apparently isn't responding. I notice a pattern.

 

[1337m4n]

And, pray tell, what "physical evidence" supports CD?

If there is none, then you have no logical reason to be biased in favor of CD.

 

[CaptainCapacitor]

Not a CT, but never got a clear answer, it may never be answered

my cousin was on the first tower hit. He was up on about the 8th floor or so (he's close enough to see down, but wasn't close enough to get out on time)

I was on the phone with him an hour before the planes hit, we have this daily ritual when he works. it was otherwise a normal day like any other.

about 40-45 minutes before the planes hit, he said he saw "fire fighters" enter the building carrying large black "duffel" bags, about a dozen of them.

What he described as men wearing fire fighter uniforms.

Management of the company said it was a "safety drill" and everyone was to stay inside, they were not permitted to leave.

My cousin said when the "fire fighters" left the building, their bags were empty. they had crumpled them up and carrying them in one hand.

When I asked FDNY about this, they claimed no fire fighters were ever at the building until much after the planes hit, and they have no idea what I'm talking about.

My cousin wouldn't lie or make up a story, especially when I was on the phone with him right up until the buildings collapsed.

I heard him die on the phone! do you have any idea how horrible that is??

So if it wasn't "real" fire fighters, who were they? and why were they dressed as fire fighters? and exactly what were they bringing into the building?
what were they doing?

I've spoken to a dozen PE's and engineers, who saw the buildings collapse and say it looks exactly like a CD to them.

I know nothing about building engineering, or demolition, I don't care for CT crackpots or nutcases.

I'm not making any wild or crazy claims, I would just like to know who these people were and what they were doing.

so far no one has had any reasonable explanation.

I do agree though, if fire fighters had been there 40 minutes before the hits, they certainly should have been there immediately after the strikes to help save people, the response time was greater than instantly, so it makes sense it wasn't actual fire fighters.

so the question remains, who were they? and why?
anyone has any logical explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Please don't insult me or call me a CT or nut, I'm not making any accusations or crazy claims, this was told to me by my cousin on the day he died, please have some respect for that.

 

[firecoins]

I don't think any resuce unit in the FDNY escaped without losing several members in the collapse of 1 & 2. Many NYPD and PAPD ESU cops also trained in rescue also died on 9/11. The idea that these units somehow brought down building 7 later is a joke at best.

Lets say this together now.

There were no explosives in WTC 1, 2 or 7

 

[RedIbis]

And, pray tell, what "physical evidence" supports CD?

If there is none, then you have no logical reason to be biased in favor of CD.

First off, I don't sit in front of my computer 24/7, so when you ask me q uestions, polite as they may be, please don't expect an answer within five mins of posting it.

Secondly, I said that the collapse of WTC 7, IMO, was consistent with a CD, and that the official collapse theory has no "physical evidence" to support it. I don't mind the friendly exchange, but when you phrase the question such as you did, you should be prepared to answer the same.

I think the collapse is consistent with a CD due to the rate and symmetry of collapse.

So to be fair, please answer this question:
What physical evidence supports the single column collapse hypothesis of WTC 7? If there is none, then you have no logical reason to be biased in favor of single column buckling causing global collapse.

 

[firecoins]

First off, I don't sit in front of my computer 24/7, so when you ask me q uestions, polite as they may be, please don't expect an answer within five mins of posting it.

Red has to go to sleep at somepoint. Obviously he can not post while sleeping.

Secondly, I said that the collapse of WTC 7, IMO, was consistent with a CD

Right.

and that the official collapse theory has no "physical evidence" to support it.

There is no physical evidence to support a CD because it was not a CD. Thank you for playing though.

I think the collapse is consistent with a CD due to the rate and symmetry of collapse.

You see a controlled demolition requires demolitions. There wern't any. Thats the problem.

 

[Arus808]

my cousin was on the first tower hit. He was up on about the 8th floor or so (he's close enough to see down, but wasn't close enough to get out on time)

I was on the phone with him an hour before the planes hit, we have this daily ritual when he works. it was otherwise a normal day like any other.

about 40-45 minutes before the planes hit, he said he saw "fire fighters" enter the building carrying large black "duffel" bags, about a dozen of them.

sorry but who are you?
why wait 7 years to post this?
why hasn't this "story" appeared 5 years ago on other websites?
Why from a person who only joined and has a 3 post history on this forum? Why post to this forum?
Why didn't you go to the media with this "story".
What was your cousin's name? if he were on the 8th floor as you say, then why didn't he get out on time? the building took almost an hour after impact to collapse? if he were on the 8th floor, he had more than enough time to get out.


why are you lying?

 

[Ravenwood]

Nice try, CaptainCapacitor, but do you have any idea how long it takes to prep a building for a CD? Let alone how much explosives & equipment are used? This is the real world, not Hollywood. Your "dozen" mythical saboteurs could not have carried out the operation described, and as stated, if your cousin was on the 8th floor, he had more than enough time to get out, so I will echo Arus808, why are you lying?