Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

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http://www.debunking911.com/sag.htm

Oops the WTC fell due to fire; you are showing your lack of knowledge by posting delusions and supporting junk science of Heiwa and his pizza box engineering.

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Now what is your scenario on how the WTC collapsed relative to the OP?

My God! Look at the explosives severing the columns! (Sarcasm) Amazing how they engineered the explosives to go off silently, without flashes, and only BEND the columns. Very clever indeed.
Classic controlled demolition, isn't it? We've seen it dozens of times before, just like on the videos. Imploded neatly into their 600M footprints. (groan..)
 
http://www.debunking911.com/sag.htm

Oops the WTC fell due to fire; you are showing your lack of knowledge by posting delusions and supporting junk science of Heiwa and his pizza box engineering.

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Now what is your scenario on how the WTC collapsed relative to the OP?

That's WTC2 I think. We are talking about WTC1.
 
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That's WTC2 I think. We are talking about WTC1.
No you are talking about junk science and delusions.

You don't have a story on what happen on 911 let alone evidence. Your delusion is clear from this forum to the other forums where you post lies, hearsay and failed fantasy ideas about 911.

WTC Twin Towers, collapse from top down - ...
da op was...
... We are talking about ...
Do you have a clue what the topic is or what happen on 911? Your post reflect your lack of knowledge in all fields related to 911.

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No explosions in this tower, not explosion in either tower. Failed for over 7 years as you fail to present evidence.
 
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No you are talking about junk science and delusions.

You don't have a story on what happen on 911 let alone evidence. Your delusion is clear from this forum to the other forums where you post lies, hearsay and failed fantasy ideas about 911.

da op was...

Do you have a clue what the topic is or what happen on 911? Your post reflect your lack of knowledge in all fields related to 911.

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No explosions in this tower, not explosion in either tower. Failed for over 7 years as you fail to present evidence.

Your record is scratched Beachnut.
 
Very interesting. So given that it seems totally impossible that 250 colmns could all collapse straight down perhaps it did not happen at all ?

Exactly. Heiwa gets something right in his model where the columns "offset".


Perhaps there WAS no block C. So how did the building fall top-down without a driving force ?

Gravity
 
It wedged itself in there bill. Obvious with the tilted top block - the tiltedbit is already smaller. It doesn't matter wheter "C" forced "A" wider OR "A" forced "C" narrower. Or a bit of both.

Debating HOW it happened is pointless. The real fact is it did. Accept that point then look at all the "lets confuse the issue misdirection" and evasions some members are posting. Sure indication they dont want the argument down the path that the evidence suggests.

See the most obvious trick - "AndrewIlluminatus" attempts the derail into consideration of temperature. Far too unsubtle.

So stay focussed bill - it gets easier once you get the base mechanism of how it actually happened.

Block "C" started the descent of the "Global Collapse" by wedging itself inside the outer tube of Block "A".

The video does not seem to show a tilt. What kind of tilt would permit one block to enter another block of the same size anyway ? I think we can all see the necessary angle....but it didn't happen on 9/11 and the video proves it.
 
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Your record is scratched Beachnut.
Another evidence filled post from 911Truth believer. Good job@! This is the most evidence I have see you post. And my record is scratched; you sound just like the dolt Balsamo. He has no evidence and he can't do better than make an enemies list. But you have an ignore button and you can stop seeing my posts; you have nothing to refute me anyway and have no clue what the real topic is.





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Gravity
It only confuses the delusion seekers.
 
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OK so when you conducted your experiments what temperature did you reach with jet fuel...
One must wonder why people like yourself still use that defenseless strawman... straw men have feelings too you know... tsk tsk...


and did the temperature melt steel and keep it molten for weeks, as was reported at the WTC terrorist event?
When you enlighten me what (if anything) this has to do with the collapse... let me know... we just got done with a month long trip between C7 and others in a thread specifically intended for the molten steel topic... And FTR steel doesn't need to be melted in the first place in order to fail, they become limp noodles when they reach 1,000oC. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't exactly trust its integrity when I becomes like this
 
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Now now folks - don't fall for some clearly drawn lines superimposed on a murky picture. Talk a bout desperate grasping of straws.

Naughty Heiwa. :(

Look at the video that bill linked which shows clearly what I said earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9-owhllM9k

In those first few seconds the top block falls within the bottom - C inside A in Heiwa's nomencalature.

Since both are same size slearly either C is copressing OR A is expanding already (OR both)

But the key is still C inside A :rolleyes:

Or, C is slightly tilted which makes its lower edge fit inside A.
 
Another evidence filled post from 911Truth believer. Good job@! This is the most evidence I have see you post. And my record is scratched; you sound just like the dolt Balsamo. He has no evidence and he can't do better than make an enemies list. But you have an ignore button and you can stop seeing my posts; you have nothing to refute me anyway and have no clue what the real topic is.






It only confuses the delusion seekers.

I find that I don't need an ignore button.
 
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It only confuses the delusion seekers.

Well, at least he sees that Tony's paper is moot, since he now realizes that that whole scenario didn't happen, and couldn't happen.....

Now let's see if he asks the right questions about how the collapse in fact progressed after the initiation.

Hope is eternal!!:cool:
 
Perhaps you also need to be reminded that the floors were also falling, not just the columns.

Your attempt to introduce false arguments on the points of contact fails.

Heiwa, you've got a severe case of ASDES*, and you're wasting everybody's time by rehashing the same discredited stuff ad nauseum.

Stop this madness.

*Attention Seeking Dead-Ender Syndrome

No, floors and columns in part A are not falling. They are static Like the ground.

Only part C is falling incl. its columns and floors, if you believe the OTC. But if part C with 14 floors or so drops on part A only one C floor will contact part A. Guess which one!

Right! The one that A damages first.

BTW - that is the C floor that is supposed to crush down WTC 1.

Why are you rehashing the same discredited OTC stuff ad nauseum?
 
The magic of 9/11 strikes again.


Really?

How so?

Are you saying that when something is tilted, its footprint isn't smaller?

Do you remember A^2 + B^2 = C^2?

C is longer than B, and yet it still takes up the same horizontal space as B. How can that be?

Now what happens when B=C, but C is at the previous angle? Does C now take up less horizontal space or not?
 
Yes - see post # 362. Put your glasses on this time! :)

Good!

Can you now explain this to Bill?

He seems to missing the plot....

ETA: Have you decided which scenario you're gonna propose yet?

a) columns meet and "bounce"

or

b) columns miss and "entangle"
 
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ps I take it you have read my post to you and that you accept your collapse scenario was false? Or are you just ignoring the facts and moving on to the next conspiracy talking point?


You appear to be answering a reply here that I made to another poster who made a simple statement about jet fuel burning temperature in open air without any argument or evidence. I said that the steel was reported molten weeks after 9/11, I did not claim that it was a "fact" that steel was molten. In wartime the enemy (the global common masses) are fed a lot of bogus stories "to muddy the water" and this, plus the residual heat stories during the winter of 2001/2, out at the Fresh Kills spoil location, may conceivably be bogus. However the reports exist and they were not officially addressed by the official US regime conspiracy theories for the event.
Google: Dust To Dust: The Health Effects Of 9/11

I have now found your reply to one of my posts elsewhere and you appear to be stating things as incontrovertible "facts" when I would consider such statements of "fact" as epistemologically unsound, since they are based on data sources that might have been corrupted. You appear to acknowledge this when you said sarcastically "NIST et al are all government shill liars, but you're going to quote their figures anyway" when I was simply quoting their figures to illustrate that their own theory was internally flawed. When you said: "not including the core sections up to 60 stories which stood even longer" you must understand that such an observation is completely beside the point as far as roof level material estimations for ground level impact time. Seismic data may also deal with stuff tumbling around the pile heap, behind the dust cloud, long after the roof level material was out of the sky. Anyway, in short, when anybody starts saying that they are spouting "facts" about anything I tend to suspect that they have minds untrained to think philosophically about any extrinsic phenomena whatsoever. When you say "Be very careful when accusing people of war crimes and mass murder. It is inflammatory and irresponsible to do this when you clearly lack the knowledge to judge." I am merely pointing out that the US regime launched an illegal war of aggression on a bogus WMD (+9/11 fear-mongering) pretext that led to mass murder (plus torture etc.) in Iraq and that under UN and Nuremberg rules it was indeed an "illegal war of aggression". Recorded war criminal acts (the Iraq war itself being criminal) inside Iraq (and acts inside Afghanistan) also contravened the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions. This pretty clearly makes the imperialist US regime a rogue, pariah, war criminal regime, by any reasonable international law definition. Therefore it is hardly surprising that much of the world suspects that rogue elements within the evil US industrial military complex engineered 9/11 for global strategic objectives. Orchestrated a Hegelian Dialectic Thesis, a global war pretext that will continue to be very unpleasant for the majority of the economically farmed masses of the USA. That 9/11 was a militaristic political coup or putsch that in "the global grand chess game" will ultimately and deliberately wreck the USA so that international forces of capital can make even greater, huge, profits. Alternatively, some facile minded people appear to favour the simplistic theory that 19 foreign grumpy young men (who apparently simply "hated freedom" as a motive) got very lucky 3 times out of 4 on 9/11. History will see where things go, but I suspect that the USA will be, ultimately, in very deep trouble (economically, politically, spiritually, internationally and socially) from a very sophisticated, awesomely brilliant, 9/11 chess move.
 
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