Here, Hok breaks the article down into sections and addresses each in turn. She even quotes from it.
Next Hokulele goes through all seven arguments that the author claims to address of athiests. I will only display the first as it is illustrative of what is meant by an analysis.
Here is the argument.
His answer has already been quoted by a few posters, but basically he avoids the issue and states that evil isn't "something" and so claims that God could not create it. Well, God thinks he did:
Here she summarizes both the author's argument and why it is lacking. Hokulele proceeds to do this for each point. A detailed and clearly written analysis of an article and argument.
At the end she says she will return with a review of the other articles, which she had down and now waited for KK to do the same.
Here is KK's first comment on her book. She questions why he focuses on Suffering and then attacks the stability of his marriage. Notice no specific examples are made from the book. No single specific argument is addressed.
Well I am taking it slowly but my first thoughts are just that I feel sorry for the guy as I do not think he could have walked away from Christianity if he had ever had true saving faith. What denomination did he say he was? And then he mentioned his wife is still a believer so I wonder how they are doing it in their marriage? Unequally yoked is not easy as it does cause problems in many households. But he does not mention much about his personal relationships in this book being affected by his walking away from his once professing faith.
Then I just see how he is dwelling on too much of the wrong stuff which everyone knows whatever you focus on will affect you. If all you are looking at is the pain and how aweful it is for people then it will bring you down to a negative outlook. I can see that God was using all these things in peoples lives. He is God and has to deal with sin whether we like to hear it or not. And it may be that sometimes the sins of others have affected us somehow too in a bad way but God did not want that necessarily to happen. Can we really know if someone is suffering because of God's rath? What if it's just natural consequences??
Here KK repeats that suffering is because of sin, but does not address any aspect of the book which had dealt with this topic. Again, no clear indication that she even read the book. Simply generic statements.
I have listened to the audio book once all the way through and got through half a second time. I just do not have a hard copy to sit down and highlight to make tons of comments. I may need to get a hard copy but I honestly just get upset with the authors negative outlook on God throughout it. He doesn't account for all are sinners and that is a huge issue as God is just. People just don't like to agree with God sometimes even though he says all of us after the fall are deserving of hell because of sin. The reason for our suffering in this world is because of sin, that's it. Death is not something anyone looks forward to but lets face the facts it's a reality.
Here she claims that she kept her end of the bargain.
Yet, so far you have only made sweeping generalizations on suffering and personal attacks against Ehrman. There was not a single critique of Ehrman's arguments.
She hadn't even stated what Ehrman's arguments were.
Hey Liz I have kept my end of the bargain I did the audio book and found it very depressing for this author who must have never had a true saving faith in God or he wouldn't have fallen away. Gods ways are not our ways they are much higher and the sooner people come to terms with the holiness of God the better. He's always right!
If you expect me to sit down and disect every little bit of that book forget it I have other things to do with my time. Ever heard the term garabage in garbage out? Well that's my analysis of his book, total negative garbage. And that's being nice. I just feel sorry for the guy as one day he will more than likely face his maker and hear those dreadful words, "depart from me for I never knew you."
Notice in this statement she claimed to have critiqued the book, yet give no indication was given that she even read it. Indeed, she challenged his christian credentials not knowing that he had presented this information in chapter 1.
Here are more personal attacks against Ehrman. Note the lack of critique of his arguments. Note the lack of restating what his argument is.
It's depressing because he does not get it. Jesus forgives sin but he did not say people wouldn't have consequences form it. Does it really help to focus on suffering? That's what's depressing about it, he has no faith nor do I believe he ever had or he could not have fallen away. I dread his outcome for writing this book and the bad influence he has been for others. He will one day have to be accountable to God as we all will.
From this, I can only assume that KK has not lived up to her end of the bargain. This isn't meant to insult only to illustrate the difficulty that exists in debates. If one party is unwilling to participate openly and honestly, then you don't have a debate at all.
I'd like to thank Hokulele for providing this opportunity to everyone and to thank her for her generous participation. Kurious_kathy, it's a shame that you did not do what you agreed to do.
