Should Marijuana be legalized

Should marijuana be legalized?

  • No

    Votes: 12 7.1%

  • Yes

    Votes: 147 87.0%

  • Yes but medical use only

    Votes: 10 5.9%
  • Total voters
    169
malcolmxwarrior said:
An interesting note: Marijuana has a toxicity level of 1, where it would take 5 pounds of it for it to be fatal, whereas Nicotine is in the same category as cyanide,jimsonweed, and phosphorous.
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This is a dumb comparison. You are trying to compare full the full marijuana plant to only the active ingrediant in tobacco? That is pretty much the definition of apples and oranges.

The proper comparison would be, how much THC would it take to be fatal compared to nicotine, or how much tobacco would it take to be fatal compared to MJ?

You could just as well say that it takes 2 cases of beer to kill you, but only 32 oz of alcohol.
 
WildCat said:
If you smoke pot on Sunday night you aren't high on Monday morning, yet you would still test positive.
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I'm not talking about being high, I'm talking about it actually showing up in a test. Testing for THC can be funny sometimes...it really depends on your tolerance for it as well as your metabolism and other factors. You could smoke one night and then test negative the next.

Like I said, a positive test will last a lot longer for a chronic smoker than for a one time smoker. A one time smoker might last only days, whereas a chronic smoker could last up to a month, like you said.

Or so I understand. I'll have to find some evidence for this, but I'm at work and I don't want to be looking up lots of info about pot...
 
I understand the concern that some people have, that dopeheads are just trying to railroad MJ through for "medical" reasons, when they just want access to it for recreational purposes. But I think just about any person would agree that opiates are far more risky (far heavier sedation, death from modest overdoses, well documented and rather quick addictive properties), yet we control them for recreational use and use them all the time for medical treatments. It strikes me as rather insane that MJ is not given the same opportunity. Sure, it may turn out that in the long run there always will be a better drug choice, but perhaps it won't. Why not try to find out? What's so scary about MJ? I know tons of people who used MJ to no ill effect. The few people I know who used heroin ended up dropping off the face of the earth.
 
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It should be legal because it can get you high. Why add the salad dressing?
 
I have no problem standing up and saying that I don't think the government has a right to prohibit substances like MJ. I smoke it when I want and I pay insane black market prices to do so. I would rather that money went into the legit economy personally but either way I'm doing what I want to do. The war on drugs is a farce just as much as the war on sex is.
 
roger said:
I understand the concern that some people have, that dopeheads are just trying to railroad MJ through for "medical" reasons, when they just want access to it for recreational purposes. But I think just about any person would agree that opiates are far more risky (far heavier sedation, death from modest overdoses, well documented and rather quick addictive properties), yet we control them for recreational use and use them all the time for medical treatments. It strikes me as rather insane that MJ is not given the same opportunity. Sure, it may turn out that in the long run there always will be a better drug choice, but perhaps it won't. Why not try to find out? What's so scary about MJ? I know tons of people who used MJ to no ill effect. The few people I know who used heroin ended up dropping off the face of the earth.
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But there has been and continues to be medical research into medical use of pot. It just hasn't come up with anything really that special. Besides, in my experience most people who advocate medical pot not only don't know much about its use, but spout stupid pro-pot propaganda that doesn't even make much sense. They want medical pot just for recreational usage. Smoking pot has no plausible medical use that couldn't be done in an atomizer.

Please note that I'm for legalization, but just don't see the medical argument as having legs.
 
Actually I do think pot is incredibly useful from a medical perspective. I used to have the same opinion but it really does make you feel better when you are sick. Isn't this a valid medical use even if there were no other effects? I can definitely see how it would help anyone with digestive issues, lack of appetite, chronic pain etc. Why treat it any different than aspirin or advil (other than the fact that it's safer than both of those).

You are correct in that you can use a vaporizer instead of smoking it. No need for the smoke part to get the effect.
 
tyr_13 said:
But there has been and continues to be medical research into medical use of pot. It just hasn't come up with anything really that special. Besides, in my experience most people who advocate medical pot not only don't know much about its use, but spout stupid pro-pot propaganda that doesn't even make much sense. They want medical pot just for recreational usage. Smoking pot has no plausible medical use that couldn't be done in an atomizer.

Please note that I'm for legalization, but just don't see the medical argument as having legs.
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Did you read the links? It's hard to get approval to do experiments, and it has been found to have beneficial properties wrt opiates.

As for the recreational argument, evidence?
 
roger said:
I understand the concern that some people have, that dopeheads are just trying to railroad MJ through for "medical" reasons, when they just want access to it for recreational purposes.
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This is also the reason no one takes the "hemp" supporters seriously. When potheads like Woody Harrelson are leading your cause, you know darn well they don't care about hemp products, only that they can smoke it. And come on, can we get some GOOD hemp products instead of tie-dyed shirts, reusable grocery bags, and other "hippy" products?
 
roger said:
Did you read the links? It's hard to get approval to do experiments, and it has been found to have beneficial properties wrt opiates.

As for the recreational argument, evidence?
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Those benefits are only compared to opiates, not all available drugs. It's like saying apples are the best source of anti-oxidants because they have more than oranges even though blueberries have more than both.

I already said, "in my experience."


NewtonTrino said:
Actually I do think pot is incredibly useful from a medical perspective. I used to have the same opinion but it really does make you feel better when you are sick. Isn't this a valid medical use even if there were no other effects? I can definitely see how it would help anyone with digestive issues, lack of appetite, chronic pain etc. Why treat it any different than aspirin or advil (other than the fact that it's safer than both of those).
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It makes you feel better, as does alcohol. It is treated different than aspirin because pot gets you high, and is currently illegal for that use.
 
Miss_Kitt said:
On the other hand, I understand the "we don't want to encourage people rotting their minds" perspective, so I think medical use and de-crim is the way to go. Too much Puritan in American culture to go for straight legalization, at least at this time.

YMMV, of course.
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Is there any evidence that pot rots your mind any more than alcohol?
 
tyr_13 said:
It makes you feel better, as does alcohol.
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Alcohol also causes depression, aggression, alcohol poisoning, liver damage, heart problems, cancer, brain cell loss, high blood pressure, death, and over 13,000 deaths from car accidents per year in the US among other things.
 
TX50 said:
No, it hasn't been conclusively shown at all. It's still hotly contested.
In many cases, the "gateway sequence" appears to be more socially
motivated than pharmacological (ie. participation in a drug subculture and
exposure to users of harder substances). Legalising the stuff will surely
short circuit that aspect of the gateway sequence.
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Just look at the Dutch approach, where trade and use of hard-drugs and soft-drugs has been successfully separated.
 
Vorticity said:
I don't care if marijuana has medical uses.

It should be legal for the same reason that carrots are legal: There is no convincing reason for it to be illegal*.

*That wouldn't also apply to dozens of already-legal substances.
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I agree. Somehow, in a country founded on liberty and the pursuit of happiness, this approach doesn't get much traction.
 
BPSCG said:
That may all be so, but I have yet to see anyone arguing in favor of marijuana's legalization propose a maximum allowable blood THC level.
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Is it already illegal in your state to drive under the influence of cannabis?

if so, what would legalising the possession and use of cannabis change?
If not? well, ditto.

Unless people are charged with possession for having cannabis in their system, which strikes me as a little odd.
 
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