Molten Steel

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Christopher7 said:
Wrong!

NCSTAR 1-3C pg 232
6. No source for the sulfur was identified.
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There are tons of sulfur in the WTC.

There were zero piles of thermite product found in the WTC. Why? Because an insane dolt made up thermite.

Jones made it up and got fired for telling lies.
 
beachnut said:
That is the temperature of molten steel; it glows, I saw it yesterday in my fireplace, I put in steel pan, it glowed, which is molten, the thread title.
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You don't seem to know the difference between glowing and flowing, not to mention you are ignoring dipping and dripping.

I also put in Aluminum, it melted and had coals in it and it glowed because the organic junk was in there.
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Of course dear. :cool:
 
Thermite is not the only explanation. It is foolish to believe so considering you got a release of energy roughly equivelant to 200 tons of TNT or if my conversion is correct about 600 Gigajoules of energy, plus how many pounds of combustible materials? And also they were pumping water onto the pile which can create lots of exothermic reactions with material in the pile.

Heated iron and steam causes an exothermic reaction and increases oxidation rate. Early on in the industrial revolution this method was used to produce Hydrogen gas. And we were pumping water into the pile to cool it.

And that is not a melted beam. It looks perfectly straight to me which, how can it melt but remain in near perfect condition? I see a ripple in the steel behind the real bad damage.

Plastic deformation anyone?
 
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Egil said:
Thermite is not the only explanation.
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Name another or stop claiming that.

And that is not a melted beam. It looks perfectly straight to me which, how can it melt but remain in near perfect condition? I see a ripple in the steel behind the real bad damage.
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Ever hear the one about the ant and the drawbridge?

You are claiming to know better than a structural engineer who inspected the girder. Please :rolleyes:
 
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Christopher7 said:
The only known way to get sulfur into steel and cause intergranular melting is thermate.
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Wrong. Sad you pick the insane thermite/thermate delusion made up by Jones in September 2005 out of the blue. 4 years after 911 Jones makes up lies due to Iraq, and here over 7 years after 911, you are fooled by a fraud.

Christopher7 said:
What part of "melted" don't you understand. He was referring to partially melted girders.
melted: change from solid to liquid state.
You are talking in circles to justify your denial.



http://www.nistreview.org/WTC-ASTANEH.pdf
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And you post a paper as your proof the WTC fell due to fire. This is cool
 
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Christopher7 said:
Enough!

I will no longer respond to any post in which you call me a liar.

Have a nice day. :)
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Because you are afraid of the truth. Admit that "thermite cutter charges" do not exist and even if they did they would not be able to cut a steel box column. If you do not accept this fact then you are in denial.
 
Christopher7 said:
Dumb answer. Acetylene cannot account for the molten steel falling from the south tower or the tons of molten metal being dipped out of the debris pile in the buckets of excavators.
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Yes it can. "Thermite cutter charges" cannot account for the molten steel falling from the south tower or the tons of molten metal being dipped out of the debris pile in the buckets of excavators.
 
Actually this is coming from an Ironworker, someone who hangs steel up for a living (or takes it down) and welds. I've also done a bit of blacksmithing. You do not need to melt steel or iron to play with its shape. Blacksmithing is built on it the principle of plasticism. Heat it up enough and you can shape it.

I do not see melted steel in that picture. I see corroded steel and also evidence of plastic deformation.

I can't post a link until I get to fifteen posts. But I will distil it.

You got a building that is full of sulfur. Sulfur compounds are in the air. We are pumping water onto the pile. Add oxygen and heat if not combustion. Sulfur may even be found in the binding agent that binds fireproofing to the steel.

I bet you might see the same sort of effects in train crash that is carrying combustibles like liquid petroleum and sulfur.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Because you are afraid of the truth.
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Talk to yourself much?

Admit that "thermite cutter charges" do not exist and even if they did they would not be able to cut a steel box column. If you do not accept this fact then you are in denial.
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Neither of us knows all there is to know about thermite and the ways it can be used.
"I can't figure out how that happened so it did not happen." is a denial catch phrase.

There is no other explanation for the molten steel.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Yes it can. "Thermite cutter charges" cannot account for the molten steel falling from the south tower or the tons of molten metal being dipped out of the debris pile in the buckets of excavators.
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You don't know that.


There is no other explanation for the molten steel.

Come up with one or stop denying that it was thermite.
 
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