So Why Is The Gospel Still An Offense?

[TraneWreck]

Isn't don't boil your balls in goats' milk?

That's more of a Passover rule.

 

[Lonewulf]

But people are not always making good choices, why shouldn't Christians speak up about that? I was once blind to certain things being sin like abortion and I went through that too because in my mind before I got saved if it was legal then it should be okay. Well now I know it's not right in God's eyes so I have had a change of mind and heart. (IN essence I have changed sides) NowI know the devastation that comes from being post abortive and it's never something that doesn't damage a person, never! Sorry I know this battle and it is an ugly one. Yes God gave us free will but killing unborn babies is just ugly and we are accountable for it. I was pro-chocie before I got saved, now I am pro-life and involved in the healing process for post abortive women/ and men. Many men do not talk about it but they go through the pain after an abortion too. Do not kid yourself, abortion is very BAD and to have legalized abortions and have government give money to it is horrible.

Then we must deal with why people think it's a good way to do birth control? It's not. I found out after I was just trying to cover up my sin and God made me deal with it and confess so I can be forgiven. Jesus says if we confess our sins he is faithful to forgive us. Boy do I wish more people were like that instead of throwing it back in your face. I have confessed and know Jesus forgives me but now I know what Godly sorrow is. I can never undo the damage sin has caused me but I have a promise from God that he can and does forgive me. Better to confess now than be judged later!

So, even though you're "forgiven", you still feel unclean, judged, and hate yourself and who you are, and consider yourself lesser, and always will.

There's honestly not much in your religion that I find tempting... I respect myself too much.

 

[joobz]

I wonder why Kathy doesn't address my comment which was in direct reply to her question when I've posted it several times.

Could it be she has no answer?

30 vs. 1. I'd guess it's less to do with her ability to answer as simple logistics. Afterall, her inability hasn't prevented her addressing others.

 

[Minarvia]

No hope of that happening.



No hope of that happening. At least from KK's side.

I'm getting the idea. I have read some of her threads before but not as many as most of you. I used to spend more time in the "General Paranormal" forum but now see here. I still miss a lot tho, so, sorry to all of you who see my dumb mistakes. At least I'm trying to learn and get my feet wet in here.

Edit - I realized I am sounding snide about KK. I don't mean to be. I know she is sincere if a bit zealous. I do respect her staying here and doing her level best to answer questions. I now doubt she'll ever agree with some of us on anything but at least I grant her that she is steadfast in her attempts to explain to us why she believes as she does.

 

[Minarvia]

If Jesus was sinless he could not have been Human so the whole Crucifixion was just a puppet show. Since God can't die and by your own admission Jesus's Human persona was just a facade then no one has died for you and you are still in your sins.

I once heard a podcast which name I can't recall (sorry) but the episode was titled, "Jesus, empty gesture," which applies to just this. Basically, if Jesus was god, he only "suffered" for a little while knowing all the while he would REALLY die and would have life for the rest of eternity. Wow, big whup.
So...god tricks man into sinning, then casts his wrath on man, then sends "son" to save us all from god's wrath.

Hey, isn't that Easter? I never really understood the logic of that.

 

[Minarvia]

No I only pray to Jesus since he is the only one who we are told in scripture to pray to. Jesus is the only mediator between man and God. If you pray to anyone else your prayers are going nowhere.

I know I'm recalling from a couple of decades ago, but I recall reading the 4 Gospels and Jesus said for everyone to pray to the FATHER. As soon as he died his disciples went right out and said to pray to Jesus. It struck me at the time that their memories were remarkably short!

 

[X]

Kathy:

Instead of always retreating to the position of "I know God/jesus has the answers" when confronted with questions that you cannot answer, why don't you try thinking about them?

Refusing to allow yourself to consider concepts renders this whole thread pointless. Especially since you started it asking us questions. You've had the answers. And now you won't think about them. Anything that comes up that challenges you view even slightly is dismissed by claiming "I don't know, but God does".
Which, to be frank, is not something you can know, either.

 

[Minarvia]

I really do love people but I have found more do not like me now that I am a Christian. Is it just because I can't quit talking about Jesus or is it that I have a horrible personality?

I feel for you, here. Truly, I do. Ever since I questioned my belief and became an atheist I have had the same problem.

I'm sure you don't have a horrible personality in person any more than I do. It's just that at times other people have difficulty accepting that you/me think differently than they do.

 

[politas]

Is it the message of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross that you find offensive?

Based on the notion of original sin, yes, actually. I do find the "message of Christ's sacrifice on the cross" offensive.

I find the notion that a newborn baby is in need of redemption to be extremely offensive. I find the notion that "accepting Jesus" is any kind of redemption for actual harmful acts committed against other people to be rather deeply offensive, too.

 

[linusrichard]

I wonder why Kathy doesn't address my comment which was in direct reply to her question when I've posted it several times.

Could it be she has no answer?

Join the club. I'm still kurious to know whether she's posting from the public library.

 

[I Ratant]

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Isn't don't boil your balls in goats' milk?

That's more of a Passover rule.

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I dunno, I'm not Jewish, but that makes sense to me...

 

[I Ratant]

Sorry I do not know what % may be truly saved Christians, but Jesus did say narrow is the way and few will find it. I do get sad when I realize this and it does appear more humans who were born will not be in heaven. I'm thinking that if God has 2/3rds of the angels who did not rebel then he may save 1/3rd of the human race. At least I hope at least that many can be saved but I am afraid it does not look good. That is why I must speak about Jesus in hopes he may reach some more before it's too late. Everyday we hear of lives being lost and all I can hope is some know Christ. It does matter for eternity but I'll let you decide.

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Consider in the appalling totals of those denied access to heaven, the enormous wastefulness of conception, of which 50% or more successful conceptions, at which time the "soul" is incorporated, are -spontaneously- or IOW, naturally aborted, frequently without the mother knowing she was pregnant.
And the occassional reabsorbing of a fetus, without it being born.
These events outnumber those that survived to birth, so obviously the hordes in heaven will be constituted of groups of cells that failed to even get close to a human shape, plunking on their harps (without having ever had limbs) and warbling praises, without ever having had lungs.
It'd sound like a "Larry the Cable Guy" acapella concert.

 

[Wildy]

I understand your thinking in humanistic terms as all suffering seems wrong but God has a purpose for everything he allows. I certainly do not like some of what God allows but I attribute much of it that he lets us all reap what we have sown to some capacity. Pharoh was the one who brought that curse on his people. God was just trying to free his people fron the evil egyptians who made tem slaves and since pharoh did not cooperate he was the one responsible. God has the right to choose how he wants to deal with people.

So God deliberately hardening the heart of the Pharaoh, therefore allowing God to increase the severity of each successive plague is the fault of the Pharaoh?

 

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Isn't don't boil your balls in goats' milk?


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I dunno, I'm not Jewish, but that makes sense to me...

I don't think you're supposed to mix your milk utensils with your meat tools.

 

[Wildy]

So it's ok to punish millions of innocent Egyptians for something the Pharaoh did? That's on par with shooting American babies for something that Bush did.

You do know that God sent a famine to Israel because of something that Saul did right?

How do we know? Matthew and Luke describe differing genealogies. Which one is right and wich one is wrong? One has to be correct; therefore the other has to be incorrect. Which is right, and why?

You do know that both genealogies could be wrong right?

I've heard some Christians try and make the argument that one was the family tree of Joseph, and the other was the family tree of Mary.

 

[truethat]

Maybe it was too much.........

Hmm just a simple question Kathy. "Do you think it is moral to require a blood sacrifice in order to forgive someone for their sins?"

Yes or no?

In my mind it is evil to request this, evil to allow it to happen and even more evil to ask someone to accept murder as a fair trade for forgiveness.

Do you understand why this could be considered offensive?

 

[kurious_kathy]

You do not want the answer to this. You've clearly found a way to cope with this already and it is not by facing the ugly nature of things as they are.



I don't claim to be anything.



As I said before: if justice is important one should not seek to undermine it by avoiding it. Hence if I believed that divine justice is important I would find it more honourable to face it then to avoid it.

Yes I can leave that ugly stuff behind now but for years it affected me. Somethings will just be better off barried in the past but one day all of us will give account and that is a bit intimidating to me. To know God knows everything and we will have to answer to him is not an easy thing to think about even though I know I am forgiven I still will give account for my life. At least I certain I will not face judgement because I receive Christ or it would be even worse. None of us want what we deserve as far as sin goes. We have all done it so we do need to be covered and that's what I know Jesus does for us.

 

[kurious_kathy]

It's incredible to me that someone can think being human and having human emotions is sinful.

Well living by my emotions is the very thing that got me in big trouble and very far away from God. Why pleasing ourselves takes the form of sin is still hard to understand but I agree with God now that if I had continued this way I would be lost forever. Not to mention the wreck I made of my life. Have you ever been in an abusive relationship? I was there because I trusted my emotions and they deceived me. This last guy who is not the man I am married to by the way, was not capable of love or just a very sick person who liked to lie and control women. I had more than enough bad experiences with men to know it was having a relationship the wrong way that caused me greif. Sex outside of marriage is still a no no to God but the times we live in and what Hollywood has put out has had everyone thinking it's perfectly normal to be an adulterer or fornicater. God says it's a sin against our own bodies.

I often think if I had only been raised to know this or read my Bible as a kid maybe I could have avoided that pit, but I didn't learn this till later in life. Don't you think people kind of know they want to get married to someone still to have a healthy relationship? I guess some of us still want this dream but every generation seems to get more and more away from healthy living in my opinion. Jesus changes everything once we give him control of our lives, I just wish I had done that years earlier.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Can someone please find one of my posts and quote it?

Kathy seems to have me on ignore and isn't even responding to PM's.

I'm still undecided whether this is simply not noticing me (and my PM) or if it's intellectual cowardice.

 

[kurious_kathy]

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That's the primary method religions use to get control of the believer. Talk them into shame for being human, and then offer the carrot of forgiveness.

Religion does not offer forgiveness, but Jesus does.