Church shooting some kind of trend?

[Roadtoad]

Everyone is dying but some of us go a bit sooner than others. And I guess I could try to get some cool pictures of my spine up here on Jref like you have so you could see proof I am not lying. Of course it's up to you to trust they are of me. None of us can make a person believe anything if they choose not too.

Have I really been here since 2005? Wow I can't believe it. There are often times I do not know why I even try to share here, but I hope somehow Jesus will bring someone to faith. I'm not lying when I tell you how I feel having faith in God is important for people in this world.

I still wish you well even if you choose not to do the same for me.

Keep it up. You're proving the point, over and over again.

You weren't making a joke. You were insulting a whole group of people who never once wished you harm. Your despicable actions are nothing more than an attempt to curry favor with the holier-than-thou spiritual thugs who encouraged you in this. (NB: The folks on Firestream advised you against coming here, and especially advised you to not come here and preach. I respect the folks on Firestream, far more than I do you.) You have demonstrated the ugliest side of your faith, and shown us there's less and less to see in what you believe. If you truly "loved" Jesus, you might have heeded his words, and tried to treat people here as friends, instead of heads to be hunted.

Your actions are representative of the very nadir of the Evangelical Movement. You seek nothing more than an opportunity to divide, to bleat your "praise," then run when you are confronted. Your attempted emotional abuse of people you do not know has been demonstrated time and again. Unlike other places, people here look at this kind of barbaric activity and are willing to tell you they won't accept it. Why you seem to think we should is anyone's guess, but I can tell you that just because you wrap it up in a big red bow and say it's a gift from Jesus doesn't make your actions, your words, and your intent any less evil, any less cruel, and any less abusive.

You are one of the cruelest individuals I've ever encountered on the web. You lie constantly, and in turn, besmirch the integrity of people I respect. You are slanderous in what you say, and you refuse to even acknowledge you might be wrong, following up your hateful mantra with a pseudo-spiritual hail and farewell which would leave Dwight L. Moody shaking his head in shame. Your gutlessness in the face of evidence demonstrates you lack even the most basic elements of courage, and it reveals a total lack of character on your part.

You are "helping" people? How nice. I'm sure they appreciate your harangues every bit as much as the rest of us. Perhaps after they get on their feet, they'll recognize your pettiness for what it is and avoid you altogether.

I resent your presence here, Kathy. You hate. You slander. You ultimately degrade yourself and those who have represented the best of what your belief has to offer. Your actions are farcical, and I resent your implication that anyone here is cruel when you have demonstrated nothing but cruelty from the moment you arrived, multiplied by every lie you have told.

Frankly, in the face of those lies, were I a moderator, I would have booted you the instant we had the evidence against you. That Darat has allowed you to remain is indicative that he is far more compassionate towards you than you are to him, and others like him. (I'll let you figure that one out.) The only thing anyone has asked you is that you act like an adult. You're incapable of that, as evidenced by you continued hit and run posting, your continual appeals that people are "being mean" to you by pointing out the FACTS, and by your continued denial regarding the damage you're doing.

Quite frankly, Kathy, you are a prime example of an Internet Troll. You are one of the most hateful , vicious examples of that breed I've seen in a long time, and frankly, as I'm looking at another OTR job, I'm grateful that I won't have to deal with you as often once I'm back behind the wheel. If anything, I'm taking some genuine pleasure in noting that I won't be anywhere near you, and that you'll wind up being someone else's problem. I have watched your underhanded, unrelenting venom create a hateful environment here, and if anything, I would suspect you are a part of the whisper campaign against friends of mine.

I want you gone. I want you to actually READ you damned Bible. I want you to quit spewing your veiled hate, and to go do something valuable with your time. I want you to leave my friends alone, including Hoke, and I want you, for once in your degraded life, to act like a grown woman and deal with things on the basis of fact, and to face up to the damage your words and actions have.

Personally, I don't think you have the integrity to pull that off. And that's just plain sad.

 

[Ducky]

Everyone is dying but some of us go a bit sooner than others.

That's not what you said in this very thread. You said you were dying. Here, I'll refresh your memory:

Actually medicine hasn't helped that much, I had just hoped God would have used the doctors to help me with my spine. I am dieing from degenerative disk disease, but should I get mad that God decided this is how I will leave this life? I would much prefer just falling asleep one night and not feeling death at all.

If the rapture does not happen in my lifetime I will certainly taste death and know when my body finally gives out God has promised me a new life and resurrected body one without ever anymore pain. Now that makes me happy but for now in this life I struggle everyday to manage chronic pain. At least I know it's only temporary!

Bolding mine. The implication here is that you are not dying in the "Sylvia Plath" sense. The implication is that you were dying period. Once again, it appears to me to be a cheap attempt to drum up sympathy and distract from the matter at hand - namely your words and lack of your owning them and the mistakes in them.

And I guess I could try to get some cool pictures of my spine up here on Jref like you have so you could see proof I am not lying. Of course it's up to you to trust they are of me. None of us can make a person believe anything if they choose not too.

Posting a picture would be a start. However it is interesting you say that None of us can make a person believe if they choose not to, and yet you continue to preach at us.

Have I really been here since 2005? Wow I can't believe it. There are often times I do not know why I even try to share here, but I hope somehow Jesus will bring someone to faith. I'm not lying when I tell you how I feel having faith in God is important for people in this world.

You just said no one can make another person believe if that person chooses not to. Perhaps you should think about that more.

I still wish you well even if you choose not to do the same for me.

Interesting that you twist my pointing out how spiteful and arrogant your words are as not wishing you well. This is another example of an attempt to curry sympathy through creating a perception of persecution. Let me spell it out for you: You are not persecuted here. You chose to come here, you choose to stay. You choose to make statements that are offensive and insulting and when we respond you claim to be persecuted. This is not persecution. This is us pointing out that many of your statements are insulting, arrogant and usually contradictory.

As for your claim that you apologized three times in this thread for your "joke" I'll just point out that nowhere in this thread is an actual apology. Talking about apologizing and actually doing so are two different things.

As RT pointed out, we found the thread on your Christian forum in 2005. We found where they wisely told you it was a bad idea to come here. They told you exactly what would happen and their words are as true now as they were then. If you don't understand why you're here I'd say you should seriously consider doing something more constructive with your time.

 

[Elizabeth I]

As for my world view I'm not sure how I define everything yet but I do know one day Jesus will seperate the sheep from the goats and it is my intent to be a sheep.

Not to worry, I think you've already achieved your ambition.

 

[joobz]

As for my world view I'm not sure how I define everything yet but I do know one day Jesus will seperate the sheep from the goats and it is my intent to be a sheep. Doyou understand that statement at all?

Yes, I do understand.

You believe that there are people you are better than . "Goats" as you call them. These people are deserving of eternal punishment and pain and you enjoy the idea that you aren't one of them.

Notable "Goats" include:
Ghandi.
Thomas Jefferson.
Ben Franklin.
Mark Twain.
Richard Feynman.
Einstein.
Steven Hawking.
Linus Pauling.

Plus near
1 billion Hindus.
1.5 billion muslims.
800 million tradition chinese and buddist
and the remaining 1.1 billion non-christians.

In other words, you believe that right now 68% of the people currently alive are not as good as you. That you are superior to these goats.


I understand exactly what you are saying KK.
I understand.

 

[Hokulele]

There are at least 3 times I said sorry for the bad joke. I think the first was to RT, then just now to jbooz, and then one in between.

No, you made the claim that you had said you were sorry, but you never actually apologized to anyone.

said I struggle a little with my dads sarcastic sense of humor but I am sorry when I rub people the wrong way as I am more accountable to Christ for it.

Ah, so you aren't sorry that you were acting mean and spiteful, nor are you sorry that people may have been hurt by your words, but you are sorry your invisible friend might get upset. Lovely.

I hope you will still choose to forgive me for I am by no means a perfect girl and have my cross to carry.

It is not me that can provide forgiveness, but Roadtoad, Peggy, and Ducky. You might want to act a tad more sincere when you make your apologies to them.

Do you have any personality corks?

Only on the weekends or after 8:00 pm.

I know it's not a great reason but it does explain a lot at things sometimes.

A personality "cork" is no excuse for rude behavior. Only a 2 year old would argue otherwise.

People are very interesting but also very complex.

Most are. Some are not.

I also need to reinurate here that while I am sorry for the bad joke (here I said it again) I am not sorry for sharing my belief in spiritual warfare.

See? You aren't apologizing in the least, but merely pretending contrition.

What if God showed you how your demons have deceived you all your life, would you believe then?

Both of these entities are fictitious. I would be more impressed if the Bene Gesserit showed up on my doorstep and I passed through the spice agony.

That's what has happened for me but all that deny the supernatural realm here on this forum choose to say since I can't show them what God showed me then it can't be true. It is true and I wish I could show you what the Lord has done for me to turn me from darkness to light. I just hope that for others somehow, that God could make himself known to you. You can't believe in God without knowledge of the devil just as you can't know there's a heaven without knowing there's a hell!

If your "light" includes the right to dismiss cruel comments as "jokes", thanks, but you might want to bring a flashlight along next time. You might want to try Taoism for your next post as it is a bit closer to what you are trying to articulate here than Christianity.

 

[Neverfly]

Hokulele, if I may...

I have not been around for 3 years worth of Kathy's posting and all but...

An apology given is an apology given. Whether or not it truly is sincere is entirely up to the one giving it.

Your honor is not dependent on Kathy's honor or lack of it.
To accept an apology with grace, can be difficult, but it's up to you. The sincerity is not.


Now, I agree that Kathy seems thoroughly indoctrinated- with the usual evangelical nonsense.
The tiring claims of being deceived by Satan has undoubtedly worn beyond thin over three years and can only be measured with a micrometer by now.

All the same, whether your assessment is correct or not as to her sincerity or truthfulness, it's detrimental to your argument to make the assessment.
Although I am personally addressing YOU right now, I'm aiming it toward the great many posts I have seen that are "Kathy Bashing."

Skeptical or not of her conditions or sincerity etc- I think it would be wise to keep the debates specifically on the merits of each sides argument. Because what it appears to be is, "Kathy's beliefs don't jive with mine, so I am going to bash her for anything and everything she says."
That's a pretty clear fallacy.
And I really think it paints a false image of atheists as a whole. It makes us appear to be as they say we are.

Hey- Just a Thought!

And I'm sure it must be annoying to have some total Nube running around getting after people...

But this is a major source of frustration for me. It's already a very difficult task to dispel the image that atheists hate Christians etc.
That atheists are biased- that Atheists bash believers...

It would be a huge help if the places where atheists engage in debate did not give the opposition so much ammunition.


She apologized. You can personally have your doubts, But hold your head up with dignity and say, "Thank you. I appreciate it."
And if she was insincere, she has no ammo to use against you. She can not point at spiteful words. She can only wallow in her own insincerity ( assuming she was not sincere...) and you were untouchable.

 

[Hokulele]

Hokulele, if I may...

But of course, it is a public forum and thread.

I have not been around for 3 years worth of Kathy's posting and all but...

Ducky had a very good summary of links regarding her history earlier in this thread.

An apology given is an apology given. Whether or not it truly is sincere is entirely up to the one giving it.

Your honor is not dependent on Kathy's honor or lack of it.
To accept an apology with grace, can be difficult, but it's up to you. The sincerity is not.

Honor, yer honor? Never touch the stuff, meself.

But to answer your point, not really. I was a camp counselor for bunches of 12 year old girls in my murky past. An insincere apology is often worse than the original insult, and an apology offered with grace will be responded to in kind.

Now, I agree that Kathy seems thoroughly indoctrinated- with the usual evangelical nonsense. The tiring claims of being deceived by Satan has undoubtedly worn beyond thin over three years and can only be measured with a micrometer by now.

It isn't so much the "Satan yadda, Jesus, my bestest buddy, yadda" nonsense, but the refusal to see anyone here as anything other than potential converts.

All the same, whether your assessment is correct or not as to her sincerity or truthfulness, it's detrimental to your argument to make the assessment.

Although I am personally addressing YOU right now, I'm aiming it toward the great many posts I have seen that are "Kathy Bashing."

Fair enough. I have made my points and am sure the others will answer for themselves.

Skeptical or not of her conditions or sincerity etc- I think it would be wise to keep the debates specifically on the merits of each sides argument. Because what it appears to be is, "Kathy's beliefs don't jive with mine, so I am going to bash her for anything and everything she says."

That's a pretty clear fallacy.

Not at all, as that is certainly not the argument being made. She is being called to support the claims she is making and failing to do so.

And I really think it paints a false image of atheists as a whole. It makes us appear to be as they say we are.

I'll get to this later in this response where you expand on this theme.

Hey- Just a Thought!

And I'm sure it must be annoying to have some total Nube running around getting after people...

Nah, wait until the umpteenth time you start getting after people...

But this is a major source of frustration for me. It's already a very difficult task to dispel the image that atheists hate Christians etc.
That atheists are biased- that Atheists bash believers...

It would be a huge help if the places where atheists engage in debate did not give the opposition so much ammunition.

Here is where I have the strongest disagreement. I think it is almost as dangerous to try and present atheists as any one thing. Pigeon-holing people due to only one thing they may have in common is simply wrong regardless of who is doing it. Atheists are human, and although it certainly would be easier on my blood-pressure to develop the equanimity of a boddhisattva, I think atheists are much better represented by their true diversity than any manufactured "image".

She apologized. You can personally have your doubts, But hold your head up with dignity and say, "Thank you. I appreciate it."
And if she was insincere, she has no ammo to use against you. She can not point at spiteful words. She can only wallow in her own insincerity ( assuming she was not sincere...) and you were untouchable.

Very well.

Kurious_kathy, thank you for apologizing for accusing the various members of the JREF forum of being willing to commit violence on someone solely for their beliefs.

 

[Neverfly]

Here is where I have the strongest disagreement. I think it is almost as dangerous to try and present atheists as any one thing. Pigeon-holing people due to only one thing they may have in common is simply wrong regardless of who is doing it. Atheists are human, and although it certainly would be easier on my blood-pressure to develop the equanimity of a boddhisattva, I think atheists are much better represented by their true diversity than any manufactured "image".

Irrelevant.

My commentary was not about presenting an image, but how the group here presents ITSELF.

Diversity and manufactured image?
If I deal with a jerk, for example, I am not going to compliment him for his "diversity".

Is there a "manufactured" image present? Or an earned one?

What I posted about was personal responsibility. Same thing I must also be accountable to. It's also a personal choice. I stated my case- it's up to others to choose for themselves.

Very well.

Kurious_kathy, thank you for apologizing for accusing the various members of the JREF forum of being willing to commit violence on someone solely for their beliefs.

And thanks to you as well

 

[Neverfly]

An insincere apology is often worse than the original insult, and an apology offered with grace will be responded to in kind.

Do the right thing and let the other person be wrong all by themselves. Others will see it and know it. No sense in joining them in being wrong just because they were.


ETA: For the record, I'm not very good at following this spectacular advice myself...

 

[Dysphemist]

And if the Bible is true (like I believe it is) we have only begun to see bad things like this as the demons will be losed on this earth while God casts his judgement. It will happen I absolutely know it!

Someone has been watching the new Supernatural episodes.

You have heard of Judgement Day right? Don't you believe in it??

Erm, Terminator was just a movie. Ah-ah. Don't worry, I do think that your antics are just as plausible.

I am a believer so I cannot be indwelt by a demon. On the other hand people who do not believe in Jesus can be.

Anneliese Michel. I suppose she wasn't a true believer, or was she just faking it?

I'm sorry but I do suspect he is purposesly sabatoging the US for unknown reasons. Could he be an undercover Muslim? You know Islam wants to take over the whole world and will stop at nothing so who's to say they aren't behind some of this going on in the USA?

spiritual warfare.

Are you trying to embarrass yourself?


I really don't believe that you meant you were sorry when you said that you said sorry. The question you asked that brought all this on you was completely insensitive and out of line. Judging from the previous posts of yours which I have read, your apology and all these people calling you up on your despicable insult will mean nothing to you.

Also, how you have said that you came to this forum to let everyone know about the love of God and the light of Jesus and the whole I'm-trying-to-save-you-from-Hell thing... I'll have you know that when I first joined the forum almost a year ago I was agnostic (which, right now, is unimportant) and a supporter/apologist of Christianity. Since then, it is people like you who have made me, on the contrary, anti-Christian. (And I know that there are plenty of excellent Christians, genuinely nice people, though I've concluded those people would be nice regardless of religion. What would KK be without God right now?)

kurious_kathy, despite what you may think, you are not helping your cause. You are doing the exact opposite.

 

[PrincessIneffabelle]

I am dieing from degenerative disk disease, but should I get mad that God decided this is how I will leave this life?

Where on earth did you get the information about this condition??

I have advanced DDD with spinal arthritis, and I can assure you (and everyone else here) that you're certainly NOT dying from it. It can be quite painful difficult to treat, but you are NOT -- in any way, shape or form -- dying from it. You really should take the time to inform yourself about any medical condition you profess to have before you start making such outlandish claims. If you really do have DDD, then you are woefully (and probably willfully) ignorant of the condition and the treatments available. You should take time out of your precious but-I'm-just-a-victim posting to at least educate yourself about it.

God helps those who help themselves, remember?

 

[joobz]

Where on earth did you get the information about this condition??

I have advanced DDD with spinal arthritis, and I can assure you (and everyone else here) that you're certainly NOT dying from it. It can be quite painful difficult to treat, but you are NOT -- in any way, shape or form -- dying from it. You really should take the time to inform yourself about any medical condition you profess to have before you start making such outlandish claims. If you really do have DDD, then you are woefully (and probably willfully) ignorant of the condition and the treatments available. You should take time out of your precious but-I'm-just-a-victim posting to at least educate yourself about it.

God helps those who help themselves, remember?

I assumed she was being melodramatic about her DDD.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Actually, Satan's an Angel.

You mean he's an American League baseball player?

 

[linusrichard]

You mean he's an American League baseball player?

Being Satan, he'd only play in the league with the DH rule.

 

[Roadtoad]

I assumed she was being melodramatic about her DDD.

She's being dishonest. She's using that to appeal to people's sympathy. "You can't get mad at me! I'm DYING!"

Once more, the same-old, same-old from Kathy.

@Neverfly: Understand what you're saying. But with respect, I disagree.

 

[Ducky]

Where on earth did you get the information about this condition??

I have advanced DDD with spinal arthritis, and I can assure you (and everyone else here) that you're certainly NOT dying from it. It can be quite painful difficult to treat, but you are NOT -- in any way, shape or form -- dying from it. You really should take the time to inform yourself about any medical condition you profess to have before you start making such outlandish claims. If you really do have DDD, then you are woefully (and probably willfully) ignorant of the condition and the treatments available. You should take time out of your precious but-I'm-just-a-victim posting to at least educate yourself about it.

God helps those who help themselves, remember?

This was the bomb I was hoping to drop after she responded. This is why I don't believe her.

 

[Neverfly]

@Neverfly: Understand what you're saying. But with respect, I disagree.

Yes, my perception is based upon very little experience on Kathy's posts and history.
I can easily be wrong, but at least I put the point out there and if there IS a case for it, others can consider it and draw conclusions of their own.

Remember: The majority of readers are passing lurkers- not regulars.
And if my interpretation is a common one then...

Anyway- sorry for the distraction and back on topic.

 

[supercorgi]

As for my world view I'm not sure how I define everything yet but I do know one day Jesus will seperate the sheep from the goats and it is my intent to be a sheep. Doyou understand that statement at all?

Yes, it means that you will blindly follow what ever someone else tells you and refuse to think for yourself.

 

[Roadtoad]

Yes, it means that you will blindly follow what ever someone else tells you and refuse to think for yourself.

Touche.

Kathy continues the downward slide, well lubricated with her own lies.

 

[joobz]

I just saw an interview with Shermer and a creation museum scientist. It was a seriously bizarre look into the kind of self delusion one must have to be like KK.