The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[kitakaze]

Due to your continual disrespectful statements, kitty.....you can have what you keep accusing me of.

Other way around. I already had it.

I'll wait a month, or so, to respond to your questions......and it'll be even longer if you continue with the false accusations, and disrespect.

Wanna try for 2 months??!

Make it 3 months or never. You'll scuttle away with any excuse you like not to deal with hard questions. I simpy have gotten accustomed to knowing what questions make you run and make a point of asking them. We can talk about false accusations if you like. Like me saying you have funny ideas about simple words like "tomorrow." I could just go ahead and pull up the last ten times you said "tomorrow" and see how many times that panned out. Not so well but hey, that's life. If you didn't keep saying "tomorrow" about days that never come, I wouldn't say anything about it.

But let's go with your criteria - respect. What have you done to earn respect on this "sewer of a board"?

And if not showing respect is the excuse to run away, then I suppose Greg can just give you the hand. You did just address him thusly:

Diogenes wrote...idiotically..

So by your reasoning Greg can wait a month or so, right?

There is no good reason why I should even respond to your questions, anyway....you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and analysis, except for endless mountains of ramblings and babble....which consist mainly of mischaracterizations, misrepresentations, and insults....along with brain-dead counter-analysis, like..."FAIL!!"

You're a total waste-of-time to talk to, as far as I'm concerned.

Of course you think proof of Bob Heironimus being involved with Roger Patterson's Bigfoot escapades or Patterson swiping other's art is a waste of time. It doesn't sell the garbage you want to push. You want to live in a dream world and those things are a loud alarm clock so you just continually hit snooze and keep dreaming.

As far as anyone with any real critical thinking skills here is concerned, your a desperate footer lost in La La Land. As for when you see the word "FAIL", try absorbing what directly preceeds it. I realize you have trouble retaining anything that wasn't written in all-caps.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

KK, dont you get it

Read Krantz, Meldrum, Fahrenbach

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

And if not showing respect is the excuse to run away,

I've decided that my time is simply too valuable to waste dealing with your garbage, kitty.

Your "discussions" are like a vast, ever-expanding network of ratholes....they keep branching off..and they're all full of BS.

If the discussions were manageable, I'd try to keep up with them.....but you've gone overboard with piling-on questions, and then piling-on false accusations, when I can't respond to everything you ask. Not to mention your misrepresentations of things I've posted.

I have MUCH, MUCH better things to do with my time...(especially since beautiful Springtime is just around the corner)...than to WASTE it in 'Kitty's Sewer System'.

You can share your CRAP with someone else.

 

[kitakaze]

Your "discussions" are like a vast, ever-expanding network of ratholes....they keep branching off..and they're all full of sh-t.

You might want to edit that.

If the discussions were manageable, I'd try to keep up with them.....but you've gone overboard with piling-on questions, and then piling-on false accusations, when I can't respond to everything you ask. Not to mention your misrepresentations of things I've posted.

I haven't accused you of evading questions such as the one about Patterson ripping off Morton Kunstler.

Posts like the #711 I've referred to many times, I have accused you of evading because you have. There are just certain types of questions that easily show you have no interest in a real pursuit of the truth or engaging in sincere debate so I make a point of asking them. I know it's frustrating for you but the best way to deal with it is to become intellectually honest.

 

[xblade]

Since human heads are shaped differently, and since no human has eyes like these, no way this is a man in a suit. Therefore, sleestak are real.

http://www.hammradio.com/images/content/Today/Sleestak.jpg

 

[kitakaze]

As does your fear of straight questions, your scribbles that take out significant size chunks, and your labelling baseball cap brow as a "side trail."



Tomorrow? Sweaty's great at tomorrows. Sweaty's tomorrows apparently are in a different time reality. Anyway, should be very exci*snore*

Due to your continual disrespectful statements, kitty.....you can have what you keep accusing me of.

I'll wait a month, or so, to respond to your questions......and it'll be even longer if you continue with the false accusations, and disrespect.

Wanna try for 2 months??!


There is no good reason why I should even respond to your questions, anyway....you have nothing to contribute to the discussion and analysis, except for endless mountains of ramblings and babble....which consist mainly of mischaracterizations, misrepresentations, and insults....along with brain-dead counter-analysis, like..."FAIL!!"

You're a total waste-of-time to talk to, as far as I'm concerned.

You know, Sweaty, I don't like accusing people of things without the ability to back things up. That's what makes the search function so great. Let's just see if my characterization of Sweaty as having a weird concept of tomorrow was valid:

I appreciate the fact that you're doing some actual analysis, neltana.....that's the 'exception' rather than the 'rule', with skeptics' posts on this board.


To see a fresh example of what I mean.....just read the few posts directly above this one.


However, there are some things in your post I don't agree with. I'll respond to those things later.....either tonight, or tomorrow.

I don't have time right now to respond to your statements regarding the alleged suit....but I will, later....probably tomorrow.

Tonight or tomorrow I'll post a still of Patty with her leg straight, and compare her with the skeleton.

Sweaty in the PGF 2 thread

I think the reason why Patty's left palm looks so large is because it's white, and overexposed on the film.

I've noticed that very close to the end of the film, when Patty's right hand should barely be distinguishable from her dark body, it stands out, and appears whitish in color.
So, I think it's a pretty sure thing that both her palms are white.

I'll post a few of those still frames when I have a chance, probably tomorrow.

I'll comment on your "answers" tomorrow.

Sounds good, kitty. I should have time tomorrow night to respond to this...

But, still, I was wrong to say that there was no change....there is a very slight bowing, or curving, to the truck.

I'll post more on that tomorrow.

If nobody can reproduce it...then by what reasoning should we all conclude that it's 100% likely to be padding??



I'll respond to more of your post tomorrow.

Sweaty in the 411 PGF.



Wow! In every single case that the search function came up with we get a "nope".

Now really, this shows that Sweaty got busy or wasn't interested but I think it also shows my observation was correct.

So yes or no, Sweaty. Was my characterization valid?

 

[SweatyYeti]

This just in, from Vortigern...on the other thread...

The last page or so has been excruciating to say the least.

All I want to do is research and analysis, and to post my findings to the community so that others may review them and point out flaws or possible progress, but instead I'm having to constantly address these bizarre accusations regarding my "agenda" and more understandable ones regarding my qualifications.

As a result I have little time for actual research, which deficit of production fans the flames of criticism from those (skeptics ) who seem to be under the impression that Rome was built in about a week and a half.

What I'd like to do is take a step back from this thread for awhile, conduct some research and analysis on my own, and return here to post my findings.

Welcome to the club, Vort!

 

[SweatyYeti]

Okay....back to the fun stuff......drawing lines on Bob and "Bob-in-a-suit"...


Here is a good quality image of Bob Heironimus walking, taken from a NG show...

A comparison of the lateral distance, or length, between 'the outer edge of Bob's head and the inside of his arm, or, the outside of his chest'...(it's effectively the same measuring point)......and the equivalent length on Patty.......shows a huge, and significant difference in these lengths...shown by the blue arrows...

This difference in length cannot be accounted for by "padding"....because ALL of the padding would have to have been on Bob's chest....to the tune of several inches thick....thereby engulfing his entire upper arm.....


BTW.....I seriously doubt that Fric and Frac (kitakaze's 'magical matching skeletons') will be able to account for this significant difference in their body widths....but I'm sure kitty's on the phone to them, right now....asking for some help.


The purpose of the big red arrow is to point out where Patty's upper body distinctly widens out, from her lower body....something that Bob's body doesn't do, at all.

 

[SweatyYeti]

It's funny.....Bob says that the 'suit' had shoulder pads in it.

I wonder why Bob failed to mention that his entire upper body was engulfed in padding???


As Columbo would have said....."That doesn't make any sense to me....does it make any sense to you?"

 

[kitakaze]

BTW.....I seriously doubt that Fric and Frac (kitakaze's 'magical matching skeletons') will be able to account for this significant difference in their body widths....but I'm sure kitty's on the phone to them, right now....asking for some help.

And more chicken scratch.

Yes, let's give them a call...



Yeah, it's for you, Sweaty. They wanna know what is the flaw with these truly direct comparisons. Not a flail saying they are not the same skeletons or a faceplant asking about headbobbing.

They said they'll hold... they're used to it.

*elevator music*

 

[kitakaze]

I love when Sweaty posts here. He comes up with some new gobbledy-gook scribbles to prattle on about and you ask him some veeeery simple questions and watch him fall apart.

This post on the previous page had SweatyYeti very sweaty indeed:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4498130&postcount=851

 

[SweatyYeti]

Nice pictures of Fric and Frac, kitty.

Too bad they have no relevance to the comparison I just posted.

 

[kitakaze]

Nice pictures of Fric and Frac, kitty.

Too bad they have no relevance to the comparison I just posted.

They absolutely do and I love the flight response they induce in you. It's very relevant to your comparison. My comparison shows that BH fits snug as a bug with Patty. What's wrong with it?

We'll keep waiting?

*adult contemporary*



Anybody have a nail file?

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

My comparison shows that BH fits snug as a bug with Patty.

Does that 'snug fit' include their body widths?
Specifically.....the lengths that I mentioned in my post above? (outer edge of the head to the inside of the arm)

I love the flight response they induce in you.

What you call 'flight response' I call a 'laugh-off response'....

Take a look at the names I had given those images I just posted...


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/BobHOHOHAHAHEHEHeironimus5.jpg[/IMG

and...

[IMG]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/PattyBobHOHOHAHAHEHEHeironimus2.jpg[/IMG



"Bob-HOHOHO-HAHAHA-HEHEHEHeironimus"....:D

Bob's claim is a joke.....because there is simply no way that his body could have fit inside Patty's exceptionally wide body, and have displayed the free arm movement that Patty has.

As a result....your questions about why Bob is in certain pictures is also a joke.

Do us all a favor kitty......show exactly where the error [I]is,[/I] in the comparison I just posted above....that can account for the huge discrepancy in the lengths I highlighted.


Like I said the other day, kitty....I'm not following you down into your endless rat-holes of "discussion".
You are an endlessly ranting bag-of-wind.

Show the error in my comparison, if you can.

 

[kitakaze]

Do us all a favor kitty......show exactly where the error is, in the comparison I just posted above....that can account for the huge discrepancy in the lengths I highlighted.

Tell you what, Sweaty. Let's make an exchange. I've been keeping some points ready what those flaws are. But let's make a fair exchange. I'll post those flaws on the condition that you explain what the flaws are as to why my truly direct comparison shows that the limb and skeletal dimensions between BH and Patty fit so excellent.

Can you deal? I'm ready to go right now. What do you say?

ETA: Forgot the hold music while we wait and see how Sweaty considers this:

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

I'll post those flaws on the condition that you explain what the flaws are as to why my truly direct comparison shows that the limb and skeletal dimensions between BH and Patty fit so excellent.

I have already shown where Fric and Frac's dimensions differ from each other.
They are not equal.

I'll agree that they are, in fact, legitimately equivalent skeletons, if you can provide the name of the software program that they're from.....so that I, or anyone else, can see them move....within the program itself.


But, still....the skeletons cannot show that Bob's and Patty's chest widths are anywhere near equal.....because the direct comparison above shows a huge difference between them.

 

[kitakaze]

I have already shown where Fric and Frac's dimensions differ from each other.
They are not equal.

Ah... I've been waiting for this. It makes my head bob with excitement! That is why I make sure to keep handy what you might want to call "Friac".



Exactly where did you show that their dimensions differ from each other? Don't be a slouch, now!

But, still....the skeletons cannot show that Bob's and Patty's chest widths are anywhere near equal.....because the direct comparison above shows a huge difference between them.

I've got it all sitting here waiting to submit, Sweaty. You just show me that you can and will or already have lived up to your side deal, kay?

Back on hold we go...

 

[SweatyYeti]

Sorry, kitty. I'm not playing your little games. I don't have the time, or the interest, in searching for my previous posts, and re-hashing what I've shown regarding those images.


What program are those skeletons from?

 

[kitakaze]

Sorry, kitty. I'm not playing your little games. I don't have the time, or the interest, in searching for my previous posts, and re-hashing what I've shown regarding those images.


What program are those skeletons from?

As I expected. Not doing very well here are you, Sweaty? You don't want to show where you proved the skeletons are not equal? Do you smell burnt toast? Dude, where do you think "Friac" came from? That was in direct response of your attempt to claim the two different BH comparison were not using the same skeletal model. You tried it and log tried it. Then you got served. Mangler did that to prove to you they were the same. You also tried the ridiculously lost argument of asking why Patty's head didn't bob according to the difference in where the two heads are in "Friac". many times you were reminded that it is the braindead simple point that Patty was walking slouched over in the gifs you drew lines on.

Really, Sweaty, try to keep it together. I'm ready for a proper debate and you can't even get to the table. There's no little games, Sweaty. I'll deal with you on fair terms. Show me the flaws of my comparison and I'll do the same. I've got them just sitting here in another window ready to submit. We just need to see that you'll take part in a sincere and honest debate.

Back on hold...

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

We just need to see that you'll take part in a sincere and honest debate.