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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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I don't think Morris did quite right in getting the shape of Patty's head there. Not sloping enough. But I don't think Morris made Patty so I'm not worried in the slightest.

What's interesting and overlooked is the face of the two suits isn't that far off from one another. Shot under identical conditions, I bet you could hardly tell them apart.

The argument that one suit having a pointed head means it can't be a suit, and can't be BobH is, frankly, dumb. Are we sure Sweaty and Makaya aren't sharing the same brain?
 
Who lives in a Dream-world, with Kita-Kaze??......

"RUG-BOB-SQUAREHEAD!! "...



...Who's got a lame story...that smells like a FISH??"...


"RUG-BOB SQUAREHEAD!"...

Yeah, what a lame story. :rolleyes:

Yeah, you know that famous Patterson/Gimlin Bigfoot movie? Well Gimlin lives around the corner from me. We've been friends since the 60's. I used to hang around him and Patterson for their Bigfoot adventures. See? Here's some pictures. That's my horse Chico. Rog was fond of Chico. Liked to borrow him from time to time. Bob G is pretty choked at me for saying this but truth be told I was actually in that suit they filmed. I'm the only one to ever claim such a thing, by the way. Yeah, it's got a some people pretty ruffled up but hey, the truth hurts.

Desperado's like Sweaty with his crayons just look like utter fools when they can't even come to terms with some simple facts that make BH's story not lame at all.
 
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Please don't go ad-hom. We all have our (extremely poor) opinion of sweati and maya's trolling, but I don't think it adds anything to this discussion to say it plainly here. That would make the thread go to AAH or make the mods work uselessly to clean here up.
 
Okay, it is true that an object's dimension will appear largest when viewed full on. This is a basic rule of perspective.

But I want you to keep in mind my central point: this method of analysis, given our source material, is flawed. It does not establish the relative length of Bob's arms versus Patty's with enough precision for us to make a judgment.

I am not arguing that the comparison shows the arms are the same length or that Bob's are longer. I am only saying that the comparison does not establish that Patty's arms are longer.

You maintain that the image of Bob is essentially a full on view, and thus represents Bob's arm at its longest apparent length. This isn't the case, as the top left box of my example shows.

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The top two images show a full on side view of a walking figure. As expected, the position of the arm doesn't make much difference in its apparent length.

Note the contrast between these images and the image of Bob. He is hunched forward with his back slightly to the camera. Also, Bob has clothes on...we shouldn't trivialize this point. It is hard enough to get the joints right on nude figures. Clothing and/or costumes can conceal the exact position and orientation of the joints.

The bottom two images show what happens when a figure extends its arm forward as Patty is doing. The apparent length of the arm increases, primarily because we visually place the pivot point of the shoulder higher than we do in the full on view.

Now, your image of Bob has him turned away from the camera slightly with the arm coming back. The front shoulder is not extended as it is with Patty. Thus, we would expect, all other things being equal, that the Patty figure would have a longer apparent arm length.

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Of course, all other things are not equal in these two images. We do not know the position of the mime in the costume we are hypothesizing, we can't be sure that our choice of shoulder pivot is comparable. We can't be sure whether or not Bob's elbow has a cant that is being obscured by his shirt sleeve.

So, absent other evidence, I believe we cannot conclude anything about the relative arm lengths.



I appreciate the fact that you're doing some actual analysis, neltana.....that's the 'exception' rather than the 'rule', with skeptics' posts on this board.


To see a fresh example of what I mean.....just read the few posts directly above this one. :)


However, there are some things in your post I don't agree with. I'll respond to those things later.....either tonight, or tomorrow.
 
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However, there are some things in your post I don't agree with. I'll respond to those things later.....either tonight, or tomorrow.

I'm certain that there are elements of my analysis that could be criticized. I look forward to seeing your points.
 
Funny enough, several posts ago, sweaty denied that perspective could have an influence on image's proportions...

Still awaiting his answer on how he managed to remove these effects.
 
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Please don't go ad-hom. We all have our (extremely poor) opinion of sweati and maya's trolling, but I don't think it adds anything to this discussion to say it plainly here. That would make the thread go to AAH or make the mods work uselessly to clean here up.

Im not ****ING trolling. Please stop with that. Get used to how i post, or sidestep my points
 
Funny enough, several posts ago, sweaty denied that perspective could have an influence on image's proportions...

Still awaiting his answer on how he managed to remove these effects.

But its ok for you to say it must be 6ft 2? Why not consider the opposite?
 
I am mainly looking in William Parcher's direction with this request but of course anyone who can help please do.

I am looking for every image we have of Bob Heironimus' horse, Chico. There is the PGF, the Argosy(?) cover, and the wild bunch photo. Am I missing any?
 
At the beginning of this fantastic youtube vid by Dfoot, that should be Chico in the first few seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQlPAFV6yaI


No, that is Peanuts (RP's pony). Here is more Chico...


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At the beginning of this fantastic youtube vid by Dfoot, that should be Chico in the first few seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQlPAFV6yaI


Now to correct myself. I'm forgetting my own research from two years ago in this forum. The horse in the first few seconds of this video is unidentified (by name). It has a white blaze and black socks. The horse Roger is sitting on in the actors shot has no blaze. Neither of those horses are Chico. I remember once announcing that I can put Roger on at least three different horses.
 
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