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Merged Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2

JSSTyger said:
BTW I took a flight to Hawaii from LAX in 2003 and they had an onboard monitor showing exactly where we were and it was pretty much real time. Yes I know thats after 2001 but still...
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and your point? those used in flight, are they FLIGHT EXPLORER? or a proprietary software that is used by the airlines and that software gets their information STRAIGHT from the COCKPIT where the transponder and flight data is coming from?

before making stupid claims, you may want to back it up; a concept that you seem to have a problem with.
 
JSSTyger said:
BTW I took a flight to Hawaii from LAX in 2003 and they had an onboard monitor showing exactly where we were and it was pretty much real time. Yes I know thats after 2001 but still...
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What you were seeing on your monitor was projected data. It is where they expected the plane to be at that point in time. There is a delay in the interpretation of data by the time FAA receives it from radar or transponder data and interprets it and sends it to the third party for them to configure it for their GUI. To make it appear live they probably use the last set of data points to plot where the plane should be, based on its previous speed and heading.


[edit] I misread that as your monitor, Since the plane knows where it is via its own instruments. then yes. its no large feat to share that data live via a monitor to the passengers.
 
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JSSTyger said:
I know some of are so hardened by being in the JREF forums forever. I know that some of you just don't want to accept proof when you see it. But GD, by itself, that vid is a pretty damn solid piece of evidence.
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No, it's not because it's not saying what you seem to think it is.

Why the H is that flight still projecting data miles and miles after it crossed paths with the WTC towers???? WASN'T THE TRANSPONDER OFF??? If the system is truly is dependent on a flights current position (or past) then how are we able to see it on the screen near Connecticut and heading NE?
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Yes it was off, (before it hit in fact) What is being shown, as I understand it, is it's last known position according to the FAA.
 
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Arus808 said:
wow you've shown that you never bothered to read the product description nor understand how the program get its data.

for those with a third grade reading level

1) transponder = sends info to the FAA
2) FAA receives info
3) FAA disseminates info. Can be all of the info, can be some of the info...etc
4) 3rd party program uses that info to provide flight path information to the consumer (or whomever is interested in that type of thing). 3rd party program clearly states in its description, that it receives WHATEVER the FAA sends to them.

Where in these small steps are you getting confused about?

and what part of the information are you having trouble in understanding that the transponder, was turned off for the flights, and that their LAST known position would be the LAST thing received by the FAA and then "shared" by them to whomever? And that they wouldn't be sharing any additional information seeing as they had over 1000 other planes in the sky to worry about?
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This is not a good debunking. The info is obviously transmitted during the grounding phase. The third party media doesn't have a clue which planes are still in the air. The FAA does. There are clearly very few planes in the air. And if you want to talk about transponders being turned off then maybe we should take a close look at flight 175's flight path as the transponder was being turned off to see if this is just a mere "projection". So thats what I'll do.

Well I'll be damned. It was heading south when it lost transponder signal. So how did this transponder data provide a projected path that was headed NE??

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...ransponder+direction&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
 
Redtail said:
No, it's not.



Yes it was off, (before it hit in fact) What is being shown is it's last known position according to the FAA.
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Well then the FAA is saying UAL 175 was at the Connecticut border!!!...Heading Northeast!!...Away from Manhattan and back to Boston Logan to be grounded.
 
JSSTyger said:
This is not a good debunking.
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remember, you debunked yourself. seeing that you dont understand how Flight Explorer works, and how it receives its data, you only show that you go by what "others" say, and have no clue what you are talking about

The info is obviously transmitted during the grounding phase. The third party media doesn't have a clue which planes are still in the air.
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We are talking about Flight 175 and 11 here. The transponders knew where those planes were in the air, up until the point they were turned off by the hijackers. That is the same information the FAA received. What they pass along to 3rd party software like Flight Explorer is going to be delayed, and if an interruption in that data happens, the software may not know how to DEAL with it.

The FAA does. There are clearly very few planes in the air.
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According to Flight Explorer? or according to what the FAA allowed Flight Explorer to see?
 
JSSTyger said:
Well then the FAA is saying UAL 175 was at the Connecticut border!!!...Heading Northeast!!...Away from Manhattan and back to Boston Logan to be grounded.
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Please provide evidence of this claim. Not a youtube video, the actual flight data path from the FAA. Not from Flight Explorer. Not a video of someone who doesn't understand flight data.
 
JSSTyger said:
Well then the FAA is saying UAL 175 was at the Connecticut border!!!...Heading Northeast!!...Away from Manhattan and back to Boston Logan to be grounded.
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When did the FAA say this?
 
did you not just read where people told you that there is a delay in the real time data, and therefore the program will present the projected path?

I regret taking you off ignore. Back on you go.

TAM:)
 
Wow, this is almost as funny as the "Onion" piece!

Thousands and thousands of people saw with their own eyes a plane hit both towers.

You'd be better off trying to deny the sinking of The Titanic, because at least in that case there are no living witnesses.
 
JSSTyger said:
Go **** yourself and look for a clearer video if you can't read it. Hopefully you are only one of just a few ********.
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JSSTyger said:
I guess this ends all doubt that truthers do indeed possess hardcore evidence
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Yeeaaahhh... :rolleyes:

That's why they keep trying to throw it in the faces of anonymous people on the Internet. Clearly, the evidence they possess is so hardcore that exposing the Truth™ is now simply a matter of scoring empty points online.
 
JSSTyger said:
I know some of are so hardened by being in the JREF forums forever. I know that some of you just don't want to accept proof when you see it. But GD, by itself, that vid is a pretty damn solid piece of evidence.
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Wow, JSS, if you think that video is solid evidence, you're going to absolutely flip over this.
 
We had a thread a few months ago that talked about how people were watching a plot of Flight 93 heading to Washington after it crashed, when they counted down how far out it was, and when they did the evacuation of the Pentagon on account of it. Anyway, it was due to some secondary ATC system that was in operation then....if someone can find the thread, there was a lot of discussion about it then. I can only vaguely recall the thread but I think it's relevant to this issue.
 
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