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Gravy said:
Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans. Arguing with someone this reality-challenged, who hasn't done the slightest bit of research, seems to me to be a fruitless enterprise.

Please, everyone, remember Christophera and Christopher7.
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Good point...I'd forgotten about the floor pans. I still think I'm in the right ballpark though. I can think of no other possible explanation for the pulverised concrete and the missing wire mesh..
 
bill smith said:
Good point...I'd forgotten about the floor pans. I still think I'm in the right ballpark though. I can think of no other possible explanation for the pulverised concrete and the missing wire mesh..
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'fruitless enterprise' it is then Gravy.
 
bill smith said:
Good point...I'd forgotten about the floor pans. I still think I'm in the right ballpark though. I can think of no other possible explanation for the pulverised concrete and the missing wire mesh..
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Dude. Not only are you NOT in the right ballpark, you aren't even playing the right sport. You can't just assume there too much pulverized concrete or too little missing wire mesh and then base your theory on the need to 'explain' it.

It's argument by incredulity only and it's evil. EVIL I SAY!! :rolleyes:
 
bill smith said:
Good point...I'd forgotten about the floor pans. I still think I'm in the right ballpark though. I can think of no other possible explanation for the pulverised concrete and the missing wire mesh..
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there is nothing missing (save logic, etc)... good for you, hold on to those fantasy ideas, they will come in handy at a 911Truth conference of woo

just 130 TONS of TNT energy released due to the gravity collapse

physics?
 
Gravy said:
Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans. Arguing with someone this reality-challenged, who hasn't done the slightest bit of research, seems to me to be a fruitless enterprise.
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In itself, a form of "irreducible delusion" eh? :)
 
bill smith said:
I still think I'm in the right ballpark though.
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Of course you do.
bill smith said:
I can think of no other possible explanation for the pulverised concrete and the missing wire mesh..
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Of course you can't. Yet time and time again you prove how ignorant you are of the science, and physics surrounding the event.

Trust me bill, you are not nearly as smart, enlightened and observant as you think you are. People who get degrees, advanced degrees and work in the related disciplines trump those who sit on their ass making **** up like you.
 
beachnut said:
God that is dumb.

There would be tons of thermite products; you got some stupid ideas and no real need for evidence since you make up the dumb delusions to match the half-baked 911Truth junk. You would see thermite products, all over the place. The next day the FBI would have announced tons of thermite were found set by Dr Thermite Jones who worked with the terrorist cause they are as dumb as Jones and could not figure out 911 without the help of an insane cold fusion physics who made up the thermite scenario in the future.

You ignore 130 TONS of TNT energy from the gravity collapse and the fact all the steel and concrete were found and hauled away to entertain idiotic ideas of 911Truth at a skeptic forum.

Spray on thermite. Good choice, you win the Dr Thermite Jones award for believing in one of the most ridiculous stories in the history of dumb ideas on 911.
Add some beam weapons stuff and you can win the Judy Keebler Elf Tree award.
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Whoa, that's deep. They arrested 'Thermite Jones' the day after planting the stuff when he hadn't even invented it yet? Were lightning rods involved, and a strange flying car? I think you might have cracked it !!
 
bje said:
And I asked you for the source of your claim. So, you have no source for your opinion?



It's now clear you are unable to argue the point, Chris. Gosh...

But, my friend, this is the very piece that Steven Jones refers to in his paper, the very piece that Steven Jones has refused to acknowledge has any concrete in it whatsoever.

Let me point you to his three-year old claim again:


Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?

See page 9:

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The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York:

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Are you going to continue to evade the issue like Steven Jones has done for 3 years, Chris, or provide us with the source for your claims?

Step up to the plate, Chris, and stop playing games.
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I've got other shots from that photoshoot. Let me see if this works. I'm not sure why Jones didn't show these. ;)
I'm not the photographer, BTW.
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GlennB said:
In itself, a form of "irreducible delusion" eh? :)
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It would be delusional (or something) and contrary to all evidence to expect these people to suddenly start behaving rationally. But I don't think anyone here expects that. At least I hope they don't. Once it's established that someone is an ineducable dunce, continuing to argue with them is like repeatedly running over a banana with a steamroller: not much of a sport for participants or spectators.
 
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There was extremely little concrete left in the rubble on the ground. Even if the force of the collapse had broken it up thre should have been millions of pieces of concrete strewn everywhere quite apart from the percentage that had been pulverised.
If you look at the attached animated gif- allow it to load and cycle a few times you get the impression of how little rubble there WAS on the ground after the collapse.Concrete, steel, wire mesh or anything else. Even more tellingly, reverse the view in your mind and watch the Two biggest Towers in the world grow and reassemble hemselves from the paltry few sticks and stones we can see in the image. Always remembering that the inside of the building was full of structure too, including 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors..
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Gravy said:
It would be delusional (or something) and contrary to all evidence to expect these people to suddenly start behaving rationally. But I don't think anyone here expects that. At least I hope they don't. Once it's established that someone is an ineducable dunce, continuing to argue with them is like repeatedly running over a banana with a steamroller: not much of a sport for participants or spectators.
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That's probably why I don't post much anymore.
 
bill smith said:
There was extremely little concrete left in the rubble on the ground. Even if the force of the collapse had broken it up thre should have been millions of pieces of concrete strewn everywhere quite apart from the percentage that had been pulverised.
If you look at the attached animated gif- allow it to load and cycle a few times you get the impression of how little rubble there WAS on the ground after the collapse.Concrete, steel, wire mesh or anything else. Even more tellingly, reverse the view in your mind and watch the Two biggest Towers in the world grow and reassemble hemselves from the paltry few sticks and stones we can see in the image. Always remembering that the inside of the building was full of structure too, including 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors..
http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Images/HTRTitleAnim.gif animated gif

(F11 may toggle fullscreen on/off on yur computer)
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The WTC towers were 95 percent air. That is equal to the 5 stories of ruble spread out over 20 acres. Acebaker has serious issues with rational thinking as does those in 911Truth feeding you this junk.

You just presented proof the air left the buildings after being expelled in a 130 TONS of TNT energy release twice, once for each tower. Your idea will earn you the coveted ignore the dumb post from the new 911Truth drank the Kool-aid special cult member of Dr Thermite Jones et al.

7 years and you bring up completely insane junk.
 
Gravy said:
It would be delusional (or something) and contrary to all evidence to expect these people to suddenly start behaving rationally. But I don't think anyone here expects that. At least I hope they don't. Once it's established that someone is an ineducable dunce, continuing to argue with them is like repeatedly running over a banana with a steamroller: not much of a sport for participants or spectators.
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As long as people like you keep taking this position, Banana Squeezing will never get the respect it deserves as a great American Passtime! Why, our attendance has skyrocketed over the last 2 years to sellout crowds of 4 or more! (Twice the official attendance at Truth Rallies)
Just for that, no banana pudding for you!:Banane33:
 
bill smith said:
There was extremely little concrete left in the rubble on the ground. Even if the force of the collapse had broken it up thre should have been millions of pieces of concrete strewn everywhere quite apart from the percentage that had been pulverised.
If you look at the attached animated gif- allow it to load and cycle a few times you get the impression of how little rubble there WAS on the ground after the collapse.Concrete, steel, wire mesh or anything else. Even more tellingly, reverse the view in your mind and watch the Two biggest Towers in the world grow and reassemble hemselves from the paltry few sticks and stones we can see in the image. Always remembering that the inside of the building was full of structure too, including 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors..
http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Images/HTRTitleAnim.gif animated gif

(F11 may toggle fullscreen on/off on yur computer)
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Well even though you are step up from the

"All the concrete was pulverized"

I am sure you have more than a couple of well known quotes from firefighters to prove your assertion about the amount of concrete left in the rubble, right?

I mean how big do the chunks have to be for you to say they were not pulverized?

From what I have seen, most of "the pile" is covered in a coat of pulverized gypsum, so much so that much of the concrete may not have even been discernible. That said, please, show me your proof.

oh and while you are at it, take a 4" thick piece of concrete, go up in a helicopter. When you reach 1400 feet, and you are over an large field, drop the concrete, and then see what is left of it after it hits the ground.

TAM:)
 
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