Molten Steel

[beachnut]

I am content to work in ballpark figures if he difference between expected and actual is gross enough... When I look for the rebar/wire mesh for instance and I estimate quite reasonably that I should see 10 acres or more of that material but I only actually see , say half an acre than I can say that something does not add up in a big way. Some is visibly missing. In this case most is missing.

The same with your ringed piece of concrete . How many million pieces like that would there be in 110 acres of floor ? There should be mountains of the stuff so Ican say that most of the concrete is missing- pulverised in other words. It's not rocket science.

The big clue is they hauled out the ruble and it was equal to the WTC towers. So your failed idea about magic vaporization is proven.

The energy released due to gravity was over 130 TONS of TNT per tower. If you look at the ruble and image the same energy of 260 2000 pound bombs doing the damage, you will get in the Ballpark for understanding instead of presenting ideas from the 911Truth deep pit of ignorance on 911.

The only thing missing is 911Truth having the ability to understand 911.

 

[BigAl]

I am content to work in ballpark figures if he difference between expected and actual is gross enough... When I look for the rebar/wire mesh for instance and I estimate quite reasonably that I should see 10 acres or more of that material but I only actually see , say half an acre than I can say that something does not add up in a big way. Some is visibly missing. In this case most is missing.

The same with your ringed piece of concrete . How many million pieces like that would there be in 110 acres of floor ? There should be mountains of the stuff so Ican say that most of the concrete is missing- pulverised in other words. It's not rocket science.

You don't have a clue for values for "expected" and "actual".

In any case, so what? What is your point.

Are you "Just Asking Questions?"

 

[Gravy]

I wonder how many workers he's talked to that removed the debris (he claims wasn't there).

Real or imaginary?

This raises an important point, though, which is that it is irrational to keep demanding evidence from people like our newcomers who have clearly demonstrated that they consider the products of their imaginations to be sufficient.

As we can see with some longtime members, the carousel of delusion doesn't stop. It's up to us to hop off. Continuing to engage with them only keeps them coming back for more, IMO.

 

[bill smith]

You don't have a clue for values for "expected" and "actual".

In any case, so what? What is your point.

Are you "Just Asking Questions?"

Well now that it is established that there is masses of wire mesh (for convenience let's call it wire mesh) missing, then the obvious quetion must be ''where is it''? If it's not on the ground,and we know it's not still in the air ten it must have gone somewhere . Melted by thermite is all I can think of. And that brings us back to molten steel and on-topic.

 

[alexi_drago]

.....I estimate quite reasonably that I should see 10 acres or more of that material but I only actually see , say half an acre than I can say that something does not add up in a big way. ........

Are you really saying that you think that in a gravity driven progressive collapse you estimate that 10 acres of rebar/mesh should be visible but because in your opinion there was thermite/demolition charges or whatever involved you estimate that it's ended up with only 1/2 an acre visible?

 

[JimBenArm]

Well now that it is established that there is masses of wire mesh (for convenience let's call it wire mesh) missing, then the obvious quetion must be ''where is it''?

Why do I always see this? Someone comes in, asks "where's all the {pet item}?". 20 or 30 posts, asking for calculations, dodging bobbing and weaving to avoid doing so, and it ends up with a nonsensical "Now that it's established that it's missing" post.
Nothing has been established except you are unable to provide any reason as to why you think it's missing.
Please come up with some explaination as to why you think so, other than "It looks funny to me".

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm getting this ankling feeling that we're either edging from molten steel into Judy Wood territory, or somehow the "missing" steel mesh was molten?

 

[BigAl]

Well now that it is established that there is masses of wire mesh (for convenience let's call it wire mesh) missing, then the obvious quetion must be ''where is it''? If it's not on the ground,and we know it's not still in the air ten it must have gone somewhere . Melted by thermite is all I can think of. And that brings us back to molten steel and on-topic.

How deep do you think the "pile" was?

Nobody found melted steel in the pile.

The technical evidence for maximum temperatures don't show temps necessary to melt steel having ever happened.

 

[alexi_drago]

The thinking here is unbelievable, the mesh was inside the concrete floor so the thermite (I can't believe I'm saying this) wouldn't be able to get to it until after the collapse but was then able to burn away 95% of the mesh that should've been visible on the surface of the pile without leaving any trace on the surface and only leaving some rust stains on deeper artifacts from deeper down which contained iron elements and had water running over them for some time.

Is that really where this thread is going?

 

[funk de fino]

Your question doesn't seem to relate to the video confirming the existence of molten metal and the extreme heat in the debris pile.

Please clarify your question.
Be specific.

I have been. From looking at the photo I provided what do you think eroded that steel?

Do you think that whatever made it appear the way made it molten at anytime?

The discussion is about eroded beams and steel also. Dont try and sidestep it now.

 

[bill smith]

I'm getting this ankling feeling that we're either edging from molten steel into Judy Wood territory, or somehow the "missing" steel mesh was molten?

Now that you mention it......

Suppose you sprayed the underside of a 4'' thick concrete floor slab with gelatinous nano-thermite ? Being nano, it might very ell impregnate even concrete quite well. Suppose further that it could be induced to ignite ? Would it instantly boil whatever water residue was in the concrete at nearly 5,000 degrees causing it to become gaseous and to explode- even to pulverise the concrete and vapourise the wire mesh ?

PS; Here's a short video that puts things nano in perspective nicely.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q nanotechnoology

 

[bje]

I posted a URL of the video about the "Meteorite" where the narrator says:

0:08
"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat into one single element"

0:48
"I think it must have fallen far enough away from the internal fires within the center of the towers that it was not melted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWWwsuoE9Z4&feature=related

So your so-called "government scientists" is now just a "narrator." I guess we can call that progress, Chris.

Have you written Steven Jones yet to tell him that his "meteorite" is just concrete and not "re-solidified molten metal?"

 

[alexi_drago]

Suppose you sprayed the underside of a 4'' thick concrete floor slab with gelatinous nano-thermite ? Being nano, it might very ell impregnate even concrete quite well. Suppose further that it could be induced to ignite ? Would it instantly boil whatever water residue was in the concrete at nearly 5,000 degrees causing it to become gaseous and to explode- even to pulverise the concrete and vapourise the wire mesh ?

That ranks up there with directed enerfgy weapons from space and holographic planes.

 

[twinstead]

Why do I always see this? Someone comes in, asks "where's all the {pet item}?". 20 or 30 posts, asking for calculations, dodging bobbing and weaving to avoid doing so, and it ends up with a nonsensical "Now that it's established that it's missing" post.
Nothing has been established except you are unable to provide any reason as to why you think it's missing.
Please come up with some explaination as to why you think so, other than "It looks funny to me".

Come on. Truthers would NEVER try to sneak in unestablished conjecture or incredulity as established fact and then base the continued debate on it being true, would they?

 

[BigAl]

Now that you mention it......

Suppose you sprayed the underside of a 4'' thick concrete floor slab with gelatinous nano-thermite ? Being nano, it might very well impregnate even concrete quite well. Suppose further that it could be induced to ignite ? Would it instantly boil whatever water residue was in the concrete at nearly 5,000 degrees causing it to become gaseous and to explode- even to pulverise the concrete and vapourise the wire mesh ?

Gasses at 5,000 degrees would probably give the eyewitnesses a sunburn. That certainly didn't happen.

There were no explosions heard at WTC consistent with man-made demolition.

This was pure comic book fantasy the first time you posted the above. It still is.

 

[beachnut]

Now that you mention it......

Suppose you sprayed the underside of a 4'' thick concrete floor slab with gelatinous nano-thermite ? Being nano, it might very ell impregnate even concrete quite well. Suppose further that it could be induced to ignite ? Would it instantly boil whatever water residue was in the concrete at nearly 5,000 degrees causing it to become gaseous and to explode- even to pulverise the concrete and vapourise the wire mesh ?

PS; Here's a short video that puts things nano in perspective nicely.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q nanotechnoology

God that is dumb.

There would be tons of thermite products; you got some stupid ideas and no real need for evidence since you make up the dumb delusions to match the half-baked 911Truth junk. You would see thermite products, all over the place. The next day the FBI would have announced tons of thermite were found set by Dr Thermite Jones who worked with the terrorist cause they are as dumb as Jones and could not figure out 911 without the help of an insane cold fusion physics who made up the thermite scenario in the future.

You ignore 130 TONS of TNT energy from the gravity collapse and the fact all the steel and concrete were found and hauled away to entertain idiotic ideas of 911Truth at a skeptic forum.

Spray on thermite. Good choice, you win the Dr Thermite Jones award for believing in one of the most ridiculous stories in the history of dumb ideas on 911.
Add some beam weapons stuff and you can win the Judy Keebler Elf Tree award.

 

[Gravy]

Gasses at 5,000 degrees would probably give the eyewitnesses a sunburn. That certainly didn't happen.

Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans. Arguing with someone this reality-challenged, who hasn't done the slightest bit of research, seems to me to be a fruitless enterprise.

Please, everyone, remember Christophera and Christopher7.

 

[JimBenArm]

Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans. Arguing with someone this reality-challenged, who hasn't done the slightest bit of research, seems to me to be a fruitless enterprise.

Please, everyone, remember Christophera.

Damn you! I'd forgotten about him until you mentioned him again!

 

[alexi_drago]

Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans.

Maybe they switched the refills for the carpet cleaners [edit] during the power down.

 

[BigAl]

Note that he doesn't know the concrete was poured onto steel floor pans.

Damn, why did you have to mention that. No he can complain that he doesn't see enough cookware, either.