AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[T.A.M.]

I am not sure who is more impotent,

(A) Standard "Loose Change"rs
(B) Moronic "CIT"ers
(C) Whiny "PFT"ers

They all seem incapable of doing anything _________ besides buzzing about skeptic forums.

MOST IMPOTENT ACTIVIST GROUP EVER!!!!

TAM

 

[BCR]

After reading through several pages of nonsense, I finally stumbled on the replies to my previous post. It seems there are still some people confused about the purpose of a CSV file and how it's created.

The animation heading has absolutely nothing to do with how the data is mismatched between the animation and CSV file. The data is simply loaded into the flight software and within minutes, the plot is displayed.

It's all right here on the software developer's site:

http://www.cefa-aviation.com/flight_data_analysis.htm

CEFA can realistically and accurately reconstruct a flight just a few minutes after the data from the flight data recorder becomes available.

CEFA accepts CSV (ASCII – Spreadsheet) files in engineering units and can easily interface with any black boxes reading software capable of converting raw data.

This is pretty much standard course for all flight analysis software.
That's it folks. You can choose to ignore this simple fact, or continue to believe the misinformation coming from certain members here.

Whether the operator can correct/edit parameters once the file is loaded does not excuse the file errors with the NTSB released study.

Wrong software, they used Flightscape RAPS. So the outputs are screwed up, so what? No one is arguing that they are not. Could be human error, could be something else. Only the NTSB can resolve the issue, so give them a call.

 

[T.A.M.]

Wrong software, they used Flightscape RAPS. So the outputs are screwed up, so what? No one is arguing that they are not. Could be human error, could be something else. Only the NTSB can resolve the issue, so give them a call.

shhhh...that requires "effort", something they are not familiar with.

TAM

 

[jtribby]

Seems a good time to remind people that NEITHER CRAIG NOR ALDO hold any college degrees, have ZERO eperience or education whatsoever in ANYTHING related to aircraft, ZERO experience/education in journalism, ZERO experience/education in accident investigation, ZERO experience/education in explosives.
I could go on and on if you like jtrbby.

Weren't you fired for stalking Craig at work and Aldo now took your job?


If I were you, I wouldn't be trying to discredit Aldo or Craig as they both are able to at least hold a job (and take yours).

 

[Gravy]

They all seem incapable of doing anything productive besides buzzing about skeptic forums.

I think you give them too much credit. They've been buzzing around here for years but they simply ignore the lessons they're taught, and they continue to retreat farther into inconsequential details to avoid facing reality.

 

[T.A.M.]

If I were you, I wouldn't be trying to discredit Aldo or Craig as they both are able to at least hold a job (and take yours).

So is the guy at McDonalds, doesn't make him an expert on anything except flippin' burgers mate.

TAM

 

[jtribby]

He doesn't even have a job. He's trying fleece losers like you (assuming you're not him).

He doesn't have a job? And you know this how? When was the last time you spoke with Balsamo?

Seems you also try to assassinate the character of someone who you know nothing about. Due to the fact you cannot debate the topic of this thread. Thanks for proving Capt Bob correct once again.

 

[T.A.M.]

I think you give them too much credit. They've been buzzing around here for years but they simply ignore the lessons they're taught, and they continue to retreat farther into inconsequential details to avoid facing reality.

you are right. I will now alter my original post to more properly reflect this.

TAM

 

[jtribby]

So is the guy at McDonalds, doesn't make him an expert on anything except flippin' burgers mate.

TAM

Craig and Aldo never claimed to be experts on anything. They are just two regular guys from CA who went to Arlington to find answers. They posted their interviews on the web, and people like you attack them for it instead of going to Arlington yourself.

People like Bobert, well, he lost his job to Aldo for stalking Craig. Need I say more? lmao...


Bobert also lies in his signature...

 

[Gravy]

shhhh...that requires "effort", something they are not familiar with.

TAM

Well, Jeff Hill called the NTSB and they said they couldn't elaborate on the work because it was done for the FBI. No doubt the FBI would say, "Huh? We didn't use that for anything." Yeah, it would be nice if it were perfect. It ain't. People in the real world have more important things to work on. Live with it, truthers. It's 2009: Maybe time to accept that this extremely minor issue isn't going to be resolved the way you want it, eh?

 

[T.A.M.]

Don't even get me started on Craig and Aldo. You ask me they were a couple of wannabes who were jealous of Avery and Bermas. So they decided to go to Arlington to stake out their own piece of the Woo Pie, that in 2006 was somewhat popular. Finding nothing on the surface to separate them from the rest of the 5 minute video clowns, they decided to contrive this "north of citgo" crap...and that's what it is...pure crap. Leading witnesses, cherry picking what fits, ignoring a PLETHORA of evidence that contradicts their BS...

I am still waiting for the day we see Craig and Aldo on the cover of TIME for "Cracking the story", as we were promised, with their "Earth Shattering" evidence that would "lead to subpoenas" (both quotes really used by Lyte Trip...I do have a good memory Craig).

How many days is it now I wonder. Must be at least three or four hundred.

TAM

 

[jtribby]

How many days is it now I wonder. Must be at least three or four hundred.

TAM

... and yet you're still here trying to "debunk" witness interviews filmed on location instead of going to Arlington yourself.

 

[T.A.M.]

... and yet you're still here trying to "debunk" witness interviews filmed on location instead of going to Arlington yourself.

ummm...no.

I gave up active debunking (except for the occasional whimsical stab) about a year ago when it became apparent that the TM was no longer a "movement" but rather a collection of angry young men and has been professors, hell bent on "raging against the machine" no matter how silly or futile.

Now I mostly just comment.

TAM

 

[JimBenArm]

... and yet you're still here trying to "debunk" witness interviews filmed on location instead of going to Arlington yourself.

Why should he go? You're the ones trying to prove something. Note the word "try". As in attempting, yet failing.
We just sit back, relax, and enjoy the stupidity brought to us. No effort required.
Thanks so much! You make my life so much more surreal!

 

[jtribby]

Well, Jeff Hill called the NTSB and they said they couldn't elaborate on the work because it was done for the FBI. No doubt the FBI would say, "Huh? We didn't use that for anything."

Actually, the FBI said "No Comment" as well.

The 9/11 Commission Report source NTSB Data numerous times. Many here claim the NTSB data is littered with errors.

You make the excuse, "I guess they just don't want to spend the time fixing it".

Certainly an excuse made for "debunkers". But not real skeptics.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

I am still waiting for the day we see Craig and Aldo on the cover of TIME for "Cracking the story".......

On that note... I feel the need to once again show off my favorite CIT cover (for those that may have missed it)

 

[BCR]

Craig and Aldo never claimed to be experts on anything. They are just two regular guys from CA who went to Arlington to find answers. They posted their interviews on the web, and people like you attack them for it instead of going to Arlington yourself.

Ah, nobody is attacking CIT for going to Arlington. People are "attacking" the insane spin put on the interviews they collected. I did go to Arlington. The last time I went, I met two JREF members there as well. One of them stayed in the Sheraton hotel and said hi to the A-One Auto boys. Also took some great reference pictures from his hotel room. Even caught a C-130 flying out of Andrews on a Camp Springs One departure.

You act like only Craig and Aldo are the only ones who go to Arlington and talk to people or do groundwork. If that is all they did, then no one would say anything about them. But no, they attack the character of witnesses, lie to obtain interviews, and post interviews on the net from people who clearly state that what they said was "off the record". So it is not the work they do, it is the insanity they attach to it that is ridiculed.

 

[jtribby]

Now I mostly just comment.

TAM

So, you turned into the resident cheerleader day and night of those who spend their days and night obsessing over people they think are nuts.

Does that sound about right?

 

[DavidJames]

He doesn't have a job? And you know this how? When was the last time you spoke with Balsamo?

Seems you also try to assassinate the character of someone who you know nothing about.

I've been toying with Balsamo for years, going back to before pft, back to his JDX days. Back when his prominent form of argument was emoticons. Back when I showed him how to add up post counts on the LC forum.

But then, you knew that already didn't you.

 

[Scott_Milner]

Wrong software, they used Flightscape RAPS. So the outputs are screwed up, so what?

As mentioned in my previous reply, all flight software operates by loading data not manual entry. The "so what" in your response indicates that you believe a transposition/conversion of data yielding two disimilar results is fine.

Do you have a copy of the animation and CSV handy? I'll like to point you to
certain columns of data.

No one is arguing that they are not. Could be human error, could be something else. Only the NTSB can resolve the issue, so give them a call.

Once again, the pattern of errors cannot occur naturally based on software function. A human did not convert the CSV data - it's a software export feature. Do you seriously believe a person entered all of those parameters into each cell, one by one?

For instance, at the beginning of the two files there is a mismatch in altitude while the local pressure of 30.21 is recorded in the Baro Cor No.1 field. Pressure ALT is showing 40 feet, while the elevation for Runway 30 is 287.8 feet.

As you follow along with the animation and CSV file, you will see the Pressure Altimeter gauge in the animation adjust for 29.92 ascending through 18,000 feet. Now the Altitudes match between files.

Question: Why does the correction not apply while the aircraft is stationed on the runway? What bug in the software forgot to correct the Pressure ALT field while the aircraft was ready for take-off, and then suddenly corrected for 29.92?

Further along, as the aircraft descends through 18,000 feet, the Baro No.1 column changes from 29.92 to 30.24 however the animation doesn't adjust the altimeter gauge. This is absolutely incredible! The animation must match the CSV as it's a direct conversion of the raw data.

Please all do yourselves a favour and learn more about CSV exporting.