Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

[Childlike Empress]

And just to add, he changed the consitution to introduce term limits and then tried to change it again to take them away and when defeated, he then brought a referendum again despite the constitution saying he cannot.

Go check the thread. "He", more precisely the government of Venezuela, tried to reform more than 60 praragraphs of the Constitution last year. Now they successfully changed one. Now Venezuela has a situation similar to that in your country and my country.

 

[funk de fino]

I asked you to provide further information about that. Apparently you are unwilling to do that. I know that the Venezuelan police force is regional. You said they have changed it. Provide evidence.

Certainly. This is one of many. Surprised you did not know before making false claims.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440422784475607.html?mod=article-outset-box

I guess you are too lazy to look for stuff you would rather not see eh?

 

[Childlike Empress]

While i'm reading your link, take the time to highlight my false claims. Thanks

edit:

Before Mr. Ledezma took office in early December, Mr. Chávez ordered Caracas's police force and public-hospital system placed under federal control. The president commandeered sports facilities and a revenue-generating downtown parking lot

OK, i didn't know that. The question is, is this a good or bad thing in face of "skyrocketing crime rates" in Caracas? What to do if such a situation doesn't change for a decade? I really don't know but thanks for the information. Now find me some english language crime statistics for Caracas over the last decade and i'll join you in the skankpit...

 

[funk de fino]

Go check the thread. "He", more precisely the government of Venezuela, tried to reform more than 60 praragraphs of the Constitution last year. Now they successfully changed one.

It is against the constitution to vote on something twice in any one term.

He has asked the people to vote twice on term limits in this one.

Now Venezuela has a situation similar to that in your country and my country.

Irrelevant point, you dont even know what I support in my country. False appeal.

When some laws are passed without going before the assembly then it is not a govt that passes them.

 

[funk de fino]

While i'm reading your link, take the time to highlight my false claims. Thanks

That is the duty of the mayor of Caracas.

OK

 

[Childlike Empress]

Irrelevant point, you dont even know what I support in my country. False appeal.

I really don't understand why you are arguing so disingenious. It's irrelevant what you support in your country, fact is that the UK and Germany and many other "western countries" don't have term limits and nobody complains.

The Bolivarian movement would be ill advised to change the leader, who has proven to be honest and passionate, in times of a maturing reform process. There's nothing to complain about here either, as far as i can see.

Unless you have ulterior motives. You have ulterior motives, Funk. You've proven it in this thread by happily jumping into my trap months ago. You were indeed the only one who called anybody a liar at that time and also were the only one who relied on hearsay in his arguments, but i've never accused you of being a liar or inventing imaginary friends - you've made that up and told it proudly to people who didn't understand what you were talking about . Whom the shoe fits....

And sorry for being not aware that three months ago they apparently have changed the control over the Caracas police.

Consider yourself back on my personal ignore system. I've build enough bridges.

 

[funk de fino]

I really don't understand why you are arguing so disingenious. It's irrelevant what you support in your country, fact is that the UK and Germany and many other "western countries" don't have term limits and nobody complains.

You have assumed how I feel about this in other countries. I agree with term limits. One person you mentioned earlier is one of those reasons I do. I will let you guess which one.

The Bolivarian movement would be ill advised to change the leader, who has proven to be honest and passionate, in times of a maturing reform process. There's nothing to complain about here either, as far as i can see.

He could remain in power until 2012. Why the rush to ignore the constitution and try for more? I am correct in my claims about the constitution rules aren't I?

Unless you have ulterior motives. You have ulterior motives, Funk. You've proven it in this thread by happily jumping into my trap months ago. You were indeed the only one who called anybody a liar at that time and also were the only one who relied on hearsay in his arguments, but i've never accused you of being a liar or inventing imaginary friends - you've made that up and told it proudly to people who didn't understand what you were talking about . Whom the shoe fits....

So exactly what was the snidey imaginary friends remark then? Because you ran away and would not answer the questions posed. Do not feign indignation now. It seems to gall the Chavista that I do not have to rely on western MSM for anything I post. I also did not rely on hearsay. Try again.

All the chavista brought here were govt propoganda from UK run sites and western MSM. When I used al jazeera I was still accused of using biased media.

And sorry for being not aware that three months ago they apparently have changed the control over the Caracas police.

Consider yourself back on my personal ignore system. I've build enough bridges.

Makes your claims look quite sillly now then eh? Crime is hugely on the rise and Chavez took the police there back under federal control. What a bummer. Feel free to ignore someon who has proved you wrong again. It makes you look slightly childish though.

 

[Childlike Empress]

So exactly what was the snidey imaginary friends remark then?

A trap.

 

[funk de fino]

A trap.

Liar.

Never mind all will be quiet till your next false claim.

See ya then.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Total defeat. And we didn't even had an argument. Bye unfunky funk. Viva la revolution bolivariana de Venezuela!

 

[Ziggurat]

I really don't understand why you are arguing so disingenious. It's irrelevant what you support in your country, fact is that the UK and Germany and many other "western countries" don't have term limits and nobody complains.

They are parliamentary systems. As such, they are not equivalent positions. Surely you knew this.

The Bolivarian movement would be ill advised to change the leader, who has proven to be honest and passionate, in times of a maturing reform process.

I have no doubt that Chavez is passionate. But honest? I think not. And how long do you think this "reform process" will last? There will be no end. At no point will Chavez ever say, "my work here is done". As with so many other leftists, the model is perpetual "revolution".

There's nothing to complain about here either, as far as i can see.

Sadly, that statement is probably correct.

 

[DC]

it was the first time the venezuelans voted only on removing term limits, and it seems the majority agreed with it, the other referendum was for a package of alot diffrent changes, which the majority did not agree with.

strange, we find not a single topic about Uribe, removing term limits, nor a songle topic about bloomberg. But about Chavez.

And still the useful idiots of the western media call chavistas useful idiots

PS: Truther Funk de fino, did you already find evidence for your conspiracy theory?

 

[Herzblut]

They are parliamentary systems. As such, they are not equivalent positions. Surely you knew this.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be too assured. Lots of pinheads are poor victims of the German Dark Republic (GDR) and will never understand democratic values, let alone presume them.

 

[funk de fino]

it was the first time the venezuelans voted only on removing term limits, and it seems the majority agreed with it, the other referendum was for a package of alot diffrent changes, which the majority did not agree with.

strange, we find not a single topic about Uribe, removing term limits, nor a songle topic about bloomberg. But about Chavez.

And still the useful idiots of the western media call chavistas useful idiots

PS: Truther Funk de fino, did you already find evidence for your conspiracy theory?

Personal insults in your first post back to me. Well done. Your first statement is incorrect. There is a topic eslwwhere discussing term limits in the US, go have a look.

And then grow up and stop calling names.

 

[DC]

Personal insults in your first post back to me. Well done. Your first statement is incorrect. There is a topic eslwwhere discussing term limits in the US, go have a look.

And then grow up and stop calling names.

Again, it is not an insult, or do you have an insult in your sig?

read again, my statement is correct.

and yes there is one debate about term limits for US presdents, I didnt claim there is no, i made specific examples....

i didnt call you names, i call you a truther, that is what you are, a Chavez truther. it is not an insult. I am called a 9/11 truther, and i dont see it as an insult.

once you have evidence for you Chavez conspiracy theorys, maybe i stop calling you truther

 

[Donal]

it was the first time the venezuelans voted only on removing term limits, and it seems the majority agreed with it, the other referendum was for a package of alot diffrent changes, which the majority did not agree with.

The issue is not term limits, but rather how he got a law he wanted pushed through.

strange, we find not a single topic about Uribe, removing term limits, nor a songle topic about bloomberg. But about Chavez.

Really? http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127123&highlight=bloomberg+term+limits http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125382&highlight=bloomberg+term+limits

And still the useful idiots of the western media call chavistas useful idiots

I'll thank you for not insulting those of us that dare have a different opinion than you and can back it up with facts. Especially since you can't be bothered to take 8 seconds to do research to back up your points.

 

[funk de fino]

Total defeat. And we didn't even had an argument. Bye unfunky funk. Viva la revolution bolivariana de Venezuela!

Sucks to make false claims and be caught eh?

 

[funk de fino]

Again, it is not an insult, or do you have an insult in your sig?

read again, my statement is correct.

and yes there is one debate about term limits for US presdents, I didnt claim there is no, i made specific examples....

i didnt call you names, i call you a truther, that is what you are, a Chavez truther. it is not an insult. I am called a 9/11 truther, and i dont see it as an insult.

once you have evidence for you Chavez conspiracy theorys, maybe i stop calling you truther

Your calling me a truther and that is an insult. Very childish. My sig is not aimed at you but may be childish, at least I admit it. I have been more than courteous to you (except when you tell a lie) even though you have insulted me and my friends.

There is a post about term limits, you have been exposed as a foolish claimant again, semantic games do not save you on this one.

I have made no claims about Chavez CT's, you need to stop lying, its worse than the insults.

 

[Childlike Empress]

So the Chavez Government has adjusted their budget for 2009 and reacted to the new situation regarding lower oil prices and the western financial meltdown. That's a stimulus package worth the name:

Budget: The 2009 national budget in Venezuela will be cut by 6.7% from approximately 167 billion bolivares to 156 billion (US$77.7 billion to US$72.6 billion).

The original budget was based on an oil price of $60/barrel when the price of oil was well over US$100/barrel last year. This newly adjusted budget will be based on average of US$40/barrel for 2009. This is far more feasible within the current economic context of global recession/depression.

Increase in taxes: To make up the projected shortfall of approximately US$17 billion in oil revenues Chávez is raising the VAT (value added tax/sales tax) from 9% to 12%.

Increased government borrowing: Government borrowing in 2009 will be increased from 12 billion bolivares to 34 billion.

It is important to note that the total Venezuela debt represents only 13.6% of GDP. Compare this to the U.S. national debt which represents 70%+ of GDP. Borrowing a further 22 billion bolivares (about US$10 billion) is perfectly manageable and sound economic policy. The remaining US$7 billion shortfall will come from the 3% increase in VAT.

Cuts in government spending: The recent bailout packages in the U.S. left $billions in the pockets of the corporate thieves who stole the U.S. economy and hundreds of millions more in the electoral "war chests" of politicians who support the the bailouts for future re-election campaigns.

President Chávez is doing the opposite. He is eliminating certain "luxury spending" by the government. Please note that in scale and purpose, this "luxury spending" cannot compare with the continuing waste of taxpayer funds by many corrupt politicians in Washington. On Saturday, President Chávez explained this cost-cutting measure:

"We are preparing a decree to eliminate luxury costs - the acquiring of executive vehicles, redecorating, real estate, new headquarters, promotional material and unnecessary publicity, corporate gifts."

Priority to Social Programs: Ever since the price of oil began dropping last year, big government media hammers from the NYT and BBC to the opposition media here in Venezuela have been pounding away at their forecasts that Chavez' would have to cut social spending, thus losing his electoral base among the poor. It was wishful thinking on their part. Besides reducing unnecessary "luxury" expenditure in all ministries, the new policy gives priority to all social programs which remain unaffected by these reforms and the reduction in the national budget. For a socialist oriented economy, social programs are an absolute priority. Laughably, the lame response of the opposition is that Chávez is "buying votes" with social programs. It's a throwaway answer. Making it a human right and constitutional guarantee for every citizen to have basic foods, a decent education and housing and quality health care is not "buying votes". Rather, it is an economy in which the government is giving the people what they demand in exchange for their vote.

Increase in Minimum Wage: Chávez also announced a 20% increase in the minimum wage to be awarded in two tranches of 10% - May 1st and September 1st. He also confirmed the nationalization of the Banco de Venezuela - Santander Group from Spain, at a price reflecting the new economic reality, so as to strengthen the government's banking network.

No reduction in dollars for Venezuelans: Venezuela limits the numbers of dollars available to its citizens who travel abroad or make internet purchases. This limit is designed to curtail capital flight. In his address to the nation, Chávez did not mention further reduction in dollars to the general public. Prior to Chávez' address to the nation, on their TV shows and print media, the opposition had been predicting that the government would reduce these dollar amounts, hoping to whip up the ire of the middle classes.

Devil's work!

 

[funk de fino]

So the Chavez Government has adjusted their budget for 2009 and reacted to the new situation regarding lower oil prices and the western financial meltdown. That's a stimulus package worth the name:
Devil's work!

You like your biased propoganda eh?