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Heliport tower ATC Sean Boger: ultimate validation of the north side approach

TLB is probably running over to his CIT buddies now, telling them how he owned Mackey so hard, that Mackey stopped debating him.

:rolleyes:

Well you better run with whatever you can as an excuse for that because the north side evidence isn't going anywhere even if TheLoneBedouin is banned and CIT completely disappears.

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The fact is that you have lost this debate so you are doing your best to abandon it as you recline into a comfortable position of ridicule and denial.

:words:
 
Here is just another reason why Ranke is NOT taken seriously:

Craig Ranke said:
Mike Walter is the only one who has proof he was there at all and he was probably in south parking lot waiting for the event to go down before he ran over to the scene to play "witness" for the news cameras.

I was going to put a couple laughing dogs.... but really, this is sad.
 
Well you better run with whatever you can as an excuse for that because the north side evidence isn't going anywhere even if TheLoneBedouin is banned and CIT completely disappears.

Emotional meltdown snipped

That sums up the ironic psycho-emotional energy that makes up the jref 9/11-conspiracy-theory-pseudo-skeptic-subculture.

Let me know when you are able to scientifically refute the evidence for real.

Say, Champ, while you are having an emotional fit over big bad JREF, why don't you and the rest of the No Planers at the Pentagon explain why Uber-Truthers like 911Blogger and Prison Planet think you guys are a joke?

ps: completely ignoring huge chunks of Boger's statements is not science, No Planer.
 
And to think that all of those "flyover eyewitnesses" have had the patience of saints waiting to be found by CIT after seven whole years.....
 
On topic:
TLB, can you please explain to me how does the CiT reconcile the facts that; all their witnesses recall differing flight paths but they all (the great and vast, overwhelming majority of all witnesses do) agree on one aspect of the flight path, that it ended when the plane hit the building, and; the CiT choses to discard the single point of agreement in favor of lumping all the differing reports as being NoC.



Off topic:
Well you better run with whatever you can as an excuse for that because the north side evidence isn't going anywhere even if TheLoneBedouin is banned and CIT completely disappears.
If you get banned it will be due to your actions and it will mean that there is one less person taking action on the 911 cause in the time honoured CiT/PfT fashion of argueing on the internet.

The evidence is real and it's only going to grow.
So far it has only grown by vulgar quote mining, willfully ignoring the vast bulk of evidence and twisting of witness and media statements.

That's why you are all so afraid to talk to any witnesses!
The witnesses have already spoken. IF YOU have a problem with what they said before then YOU contact them. Of those witnesses who the CiT actually asked if they saw a flyover all replied that it did not fly over, it hit the building.

You don't want to confirm what you already know is truth.

Actually I and I daresay all who argue against you here, already know what the truth is and it has been confirmed many times over. The CiT and PfT however "know" what occured in the same way that a fundementalist "knows" how the Universe began, pure unwavering belief. In the same fashion by which a fundementalist will twist and distort science to try and 'prove' their point, the CiT twist and distort it to try to bolster their contentions.

There are plenty more north side witnesses and there are plenty more flyover witnesses as indicated to the CMH only weeks after 9/11 by ANC witness Erik Dihle.

No, you have a very small, perhaps even non-existant, subset of witnesses who you claim are flyover witnesses.

The fact is that you have lost this debate so you are doing your best to abandon it as you recline into a comfortable position of ridicule and denial.

The CiT refuses to take their supposedly concrete, solid, irrefutable evidence to a courtroom. So does the PfT. Both groups steadfastly refuse to alter their method of getting the message out. Both groups fail utterly to explain the vast amount of physical evidence at the Pentagon can be reconciled with their contentions. All they can do is state that anything that contradicts them is obviously fake. Why is it obviously fake? Mostly because it contradicts their contentions.

But it will keep haunting you and you'll keep doing your best to respond with spin, diversions, and lawyer-like deceptions while pretending like you don't really care.

Actually Mackey has been the most tireless advocate of using math and science to refute the nonsense spewing forth from both CiT and the PfT.

But you DO care and you won't ignore it that's for sure!

Should you not add;
"Muuhahahaha"

Just like Gravy couldn't stay away after his big public departure from this sub-forum. It's always funny watching you guys squirm as you pretend like you are forcing yourselves to chime in while trying to claim that you just took us off "ignore" or whatever.

As explained in many ways and at many times, most here simply cannot abide the propigation of idiocy in the name of science and truth. That people who do get under our skin is hardly a suprise.

The point I made about people appealing to your authority wasn't necessarily meant to suggest that it was happening from an argumentative stand-point at that moment.
So you meant it in the best possible way?

Their "appeal to authority" is much more shallow than that and merely used as an emotional crutch to help boost the group-think morale.

Speaking for myself anytime that Mackey has produced a tech fact or used a math formula I have actually checked the math and application of the formulae for myself. I daresay that the CiT collectively have their eyes gloss over if confronted with a + sign much less the application of physical formulas. PfT is not much better. I see that Cappy Bobby still cannot conceive of what I was doing with the bank angle formula. That indicates his incomplete understanding of how to work vectors.

There really isn't anything intellectual about it at all.

About the CiT, correct.

You see what I meant is that the core members here will for the most part desperately hurl insults and be their usual immature obnoxious selves


SOME members here do that. I personally do not condone it and I try not to partake in it myself(not always successfully), but have you looked at what occurs on PfT or CiT's forum? To my mind its a lot worse and on PfT one DOES get banned simply and solely for being in disagreement with the stance of the majority on the site. That does not occur here.

looking all silly until you jump in with some hollow pseudo-technical rhetoric with all the confidence of "R.Mackey NASA scientist extraordinaire" causing them to fawn all over you as if you made everything all better again.

:rolleyes: Which I suppose you will think I am doing now.


Let me know when you are able to scientifically refute the evidence for real.

When the CiT learns how to actually do an interview and what is and isn't 'science', get back to us with that knowledge.
 
CIT is pathetic. Period. If they want to prove us wrong, what better way than to present their 'rock-solid evidence' to a court of law. If they don't get laughed out of court, I'll not only become a truther, but I'll eat my hat as well.
 
CIT is pathetic. Period. If they want to prove us wrong, what better way than to present their 'rock-solid evidence' to a court of law. If they don't get laughed out of court, I'll not only become a truther, but I'll eat my hat as well.

Well, obviously, the courts are in on it. Pretty much everybody is.
 
Imagine if the CIT scenario was proposed with respect to the WTC. That there were planes that people saw approach the towers, but which barely missed and then flew to the usual landing traffic for Newark Airport. That eyewitnesses were mistaken by the explosions that burst outside the buildings at the right moment, camouflaging the fact that the plane just skirted the buildings. That the explosions were caused by pre-planted explosives, and the videos showing planes impacting the buildings were faked and disseminated in the government-controlled media. That plane debris was planted at the site and other effects like the "proven fake" hijacker passport.

Isn't this essentially the identical scheme that CIT claims happened at the Pentagon? Yet they want to distance themselves from the no-planer idea that WTC wasn't struck by planes. The scheme described above is just as loony as any Killtown or Nico Haupt scheme, but it is stupider since it assumes that real witnesses would have been fooled to not notice a plane flying away from the WTC -- particularly those to whom the plane flew towards.
 
What the heck is up with TLB referring to himself in the third person?

If you do it routinely (idiot twoofer Terral used to do it here all the time) it's known as "Illeism", and can be a clue to certain underlying psychological syndromes. Narcissism and megalomania among them. GlennB says so, so it must be true.

eta: here's a telling comment :
"What is salient in delusions of grandeur is not just that the grandiose self conception is usually fantastic but also that the ordinary and laborious channels of achievement are completely circumvented and a shortcut route is taken to a "success" which is exaggerated to the point of caricature...".

My bolding. And ain't it the truth. Acheiving real success must be damn hard work. What CiT with their NoC bilge have created is a shortcut to fame and glory. To becoming special. Unfortunately it requires large doses of self-delusion.
 
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If you do it routinely (idiot twoofer Terral used to do it here all the time) it's known as "Illeism", and can be a clue to certain underlying psychological syndromes. Narcissism and megalomania among them. GlennB says so, so it must be true.

eta: here's a telling comment :
"What is salient in delusions of grandeur is not just that the grandiose self conception is usually fantastic but also that the ordinary and laborious channels of achievement are completely circumvented and a shortcut route is taken to a "success" which is exaggerated to the point of caricature...".

My bolding. And ain't it the truth. Acheiving real success must be damn hard work. What CiT with their NoC bilge have created is a shortcut to fame and glory. To becoming special. Unfortunately it requires large doses of self-delusion.

I think Hokulele's point is that TLB does not do it routinely.
 
Acheiving real success must be damn hard work. What CiT with their NoC bilge have created is a shortcut to fame and glory. To becoming special. Unfortunately it requires large doses of self-delusion.

Fortunately, there ARE solutions for bilge:

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