Heliport tower ATC Sean Boger: ultimate validation of the north side approach

[Drs_Res]

Although Sean has also claimed that he watched the plane go into the building we know this is impossible since he saw it on the north side. He says he hit the deck so logic would dictate that he did this as the plane hit and deduced the impact considering all other witnesses corroborate his north side claim.

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Interesting. You just stated that the plane hit.

Are you sure you really believe this CIT stuff TLB?

 

[beachnut]

Boger proves Craig and his CIT are nuts on 911 and the worse investigators. Boger saw 77 impact the Pentagon.

Boger said this in 2001, and he has the exact same story of impact confirmed by CIT. Craig and CIT are delusional on 911. They can't figure out anything, but they sure mess it up and act like terrorist apologists, or loyalists.

Is there any testimony they have not messed up? They will always have their enemy list, which is kind of creepy. Why did they post the guy in the underwear; do they like to post guys in underwear?

Notice they have not presented it on video or mp3! Because he actually saw 77 impact! Means 77 could not be on the north side, because the impact was on a true track within 2 degrees of 61 degrees. The fact is Boger never said north, he was using left and right, which left and right is questionable, I bet he pointed to the south like all the ANC did!

But saw 77 impact the Pentagon, makes CIT liars on the no impact. Boger saw 77 impact, proves the path was south. GUESS WHAT backs up Boger seeing the impact? IMPACT DAMGE, and the IMPACT itself. This proves the south path because the impact damage was on a true track course within 2 degrees of 61 degrees true track course!

Flight 77 was flying about 70-degrees magnetic heading from the FDR and you have to apply the wind to get 61.2 degrees true track and variation. Guess what confirms the FDR, the wind for the day confirms the drift angle of 1.4 degrees seconds prior to impact, and the wind data found at p4t (self debunking data) web site for the area proves the FDR was accurate by applying the winds to the mag heading. The FDR itself has a corrected for the wind track in mag and true. It is four independent systems confirm with help from p4t dolts who post enough real data to prove they have conclusions that are delusions. This is funny when you understand the FDR and tall the tech just related to navigation, which Balsamo seem to be a dolt on, just like CIT (just bs notes on how dumb CIT/p4t are; like 11.2G bad math dumb)

For 77 to bank right and then left to make the proper impact damage is impossible aerodynamically due to roll rate and G force. BUSTED again, CIT lies are getting bigger, and they TLB to spew them again after this was proven wrong in 2001.

How did they refute and ignore the DNA? Is that TLB's next delusion thread?

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Any response? This article has been out for a very long time, and is backed by some fairly big names in the Truth Movement, such as Hoffman (whom I have torn apart in print, yet again am compelled to agree with here). Surely you've thought about this?

Hoffman has refused to address the evidence and simply defers to Arabesque who is nothing but an anonymous blogger who focuses primarily on truth movement gossip. He certainly isn't a legitimate researcher.

But NEITHER of them have said a single word regarding Sean Boger or any of the Arlington Cemetery witnesses so they have in essence completely ignored most of the evidence proving the north side approach.

CIT responds to Hoffman here and to Arabesque here and here.

Now will you PLEASE address the evidence presented in the OP and stop with the blatant effort to focus on CIT or "truth movement" gossip?

 

[dtugg]

Your own witnesses say the plane flew into the Pentagon. You lose. And you have zero chance of conning anybody here so why the hell do you even bother trying?

 

[Alt+F4]

...we should take a closer look at the first-hand accounts that do exist.

But continue to ignore the DNA evidence, which even a high school kid knows outweighs eyewitness testmony.

 

[jhunter1163]

Don't mean to start a derail, but I think it was the anti-semitic Dick Eastman back in 2003.

Did you intend to capitalize this?

 

[dtugg]

But continue to ignore the DNA evidence, which even a high school kid knows outweighs eyewitness testmony.

Well that was faked, didn't you know? A small number of witnesses that say a plane hit the Pentagon proves it.

 

[HyJinX]

TLB...I've asked this of you many times...you keep ignoring it. Others have also asked this many times. You keep ignoring them. I'll try again anyways...

LIGHTPOLES. PLANTED OR NOT?

 

[Alt+F4]

Well that was faked, didn't you know? A small number of witnesses that say a plane hit the Pentagon proves it.

That must be a super-duper, top secret lab that can actually fake a human being's DNA!

The fact that there is overwhelming physical evidence and eyewitness testimony that AA77 hit the Pentagon proves that TLB and the CIT know it as well. After all, no one can be that stupid.

All this NoC nonsense is nothing other that a feeble cry for Internet attention by people who have serious problems in the real world. It's understandable that people want to feel special and important, it's sad that those same people try to acheive that by exploiting murdered, innocent victims.

Dana Falkenberg was two-years old when, along with her family, she was murdered at the Pentagon. How anyone could use the tragedy of her death for their own self promotion is beyone me.

 

[Drudgewire]

As I understand CIT's retarded theory, it comes down to a sleight of hand "magic trick" to trick people into thinking a plane hit the Pentagon.

Can someone show me a single trick of this sort which could possibly be done with an audience on all sides of the magician? Isn't a big part of performing magic keeping the witnesses centralized?

 

[The Big Dog]

Hoffman has refused to address the evidence and simply defers to Arabesque who is nothing but an anonymous blogger who focuses primarily on truth movement gossip. He certainly isn't a legitimate researcher.

But NEITHER of them have said a single word regarding Sean Boger or any of the Arlington Cemetery witnesses so they have in essence completely ignored most of the evidence proving the north side approach.

CIT responds to Hoffman here and to Arabesque here and here.

Now will you PLEASE address the evidence presented in the OP and stop with the blatant effort to focus on CIT or "truth movement" gossip?

Sigh, the paperboy is back. Hey TLB, have you ever had an original thought? We know what Tubby and Tremors say, we want to know what you think. Stop being a waterboy TLB.

"Although Sean has also claimed that he watched the plane go into the building we know this is impossible since he saw it on the north side. He says he hit the deck so logic would dictate that he did this as the plane hit and deduced the impact considering all other witnesses corroborate his north side claim."

WHAT the hell? Do you read your/CIT's own BS?? He did it as the plane hit? We agree! Why don't you run back to your masters, Aldo needs another dozen eggs.

 

[dtugg]

That must be a super-duper, top secret lab that can actually fake a human being's DNA!

Well, they would probably just say the reports are faked and that the people who did them are in on it. Thousands of people are in on it.

The fact that there is overwhelming physical evidence and eyewitness testimony that AA77 hit the Pentagon proves that TLB and the CIT know it as well. After all, no one can be that stupid.

I beg to differ, at least concerning Craig. He is that stupid (and crazy). Seeing the manic, crazed look in his eye when he talks about this leads me to believe that he really does believe the crap he spews. Either that, or he is an amazing actor. Bobert actually knows him and says that yes, he does believe it.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Hey Bedouin.

I usually do not participate in any CIT stuff. But I have a question.

Who first discovered this NoC thing? And when was that? How did the first person draw his conclusion, that it was NoC? How many interviews or other evidence did it take to come to that conclusion?

I assume it was Craig or Aldo in 2006 or 2007. I really haven't been paying that much attention.

The NOC/ONA flight path was first discovered by the Center for Military History in November 2001.

Dick Eastman corroborated their findings in 2003.

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

And CIT first corroborated the findings by going to Arlington and recording first-hand accounts in 2006.

 

[The Big Dog]

The NOC/ONA flight path was first discovered by the Center for Military History in November 2001.

Dick Eastman corroborated their findings in 2003.

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

And CIT first corroborated the findings by going to Arlington and recording first-hand accounts in 2006.

"He says he hit the deck so logic would dictate that he did this as the plane hit."

 

[dtugg]

That's great! Thanks for confirming that the plane did in fact hit, TLB!

 

[Bell]

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

Did they now? Have you/CIT contacted them? Or did you take the lazy way out and assumed, on basis of the images in their documentary, that they did?

If however you are ever going to contact them, be sure to tell them their collegues did not die at the Pentagon. I'm sure they'll love that!

 

[DGM]

The NOC/ONA flight path was first discovered by the Center for Military History in November 2001.

Do you have a link to their research? How did they verify these?

Dick Eastman corroborated their findings in 2003.

How?

National Geographic corroborated the flight path in 2004.

You have verified how they did this? If not this would be another example of your excepting evidence at face value. That's not what you claim to do. Remember? All first hand verifiable.

And CIT first corroborated the findings by going to Arlington and recording first-hand accounts in 2006.

And you verified what they saw how? Time machine maybe?

 

[Shalamar]

TLB...I've asked this of you many times...you keep ignoring it. Others have also asked this many times. You keep ignoring them. I'll try again anyways...

LIGHTPOLES. PLANTED OR NOT?

Rogue Canadian Lumberjacks were quickly trailing the plane. When people got distracted by the bomb that blew out the pentagon, thus assuming that the plane impacted instead of flying over it, and landing at Reagan.

The lumberjacks quickly chopped down the lightpoles with their axes, then ran off into the crowds without a single person seeing them.

 

[nicepants]

I beg to differ, at least concerning Craig. He is that stupid (and crazy). Seeing the manic, crazed look in his eye when he talks about this leads me to believe that he really does believe the crap he spews. Either that, or he is an amazing actor. Bobert actually knows him and says that yes, he does believe it.

I don't think craig actually believes what he spews....if he did he would spend his time getting the evidence into a court instead of arguing with people on the internet and making "enemies lists". His actions speak much louder than his words.

 

[bje]

I don't think craig actually believes what he spews....if he did he would spend his time getting the evidence into a court instead of arguing with people on the internet and making "enemies lists". His actions speak much louder than his words.

Correct. Craig does not believe any of what he has claimed.