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A Thermite/Thermate Question

Thermite is used throughout the world to weld railway track.
That is about its only commercial usage.
Jones was, is and will always remain wrong.
 
""Joint U.S./Russian Study on the
Development of a Decommissioning
""

September 1998
Prepared by
Joint U.S./Russian Study Team
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
Brookhaven National Laboratory
RRC Kurchatov Institute
for the
United States Department of Energy and the
Russian Federation Ministry of Atomic Energy


The thermite cutting process consists of heating and melting the metal in the cutting area by the
thermal energy released during combustion of a therrnite mixture (under conditions of an exother- ,
tic reaction). The products generated by combustion of the thennite mixture issue from the combustion
chamber under pressure in the form of a mixture of condensed gases, which affords the
opportunity of cutting almost any metal in any attitude.


The application of this cutting technique to
nonmetallic materials also seems feasible, especially the dismantling of the reinforced concrete
structural elements.



The thermite cutting technique is characterized by maneuverability and the small dimensions of
its devices, which allows use of the technique in hard-to-reach locations.
The pyrotechnic cutting torch can be used with automatic and remote-control systems.
 
""Joint U.S./Russian Study on the
Development of a Decommissioning
""

September 1998
Prepared by
Joint U.S./Russian Study Team
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
Brookhaven National Laboratory
RRC Kurchatov Institute
for the
United States Department of Energy and the
Russian Federation Ministry of Atomic Energy

YA-DA-YA-DA-YA......
So? You would still need to hide and protect it from people and the plane impacts.

Got any evidence it was used?
 
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Ah now I see. I'd always wondered how thermite was supposed to create those cuts but that explains it. They installed robots with thermite cutting torches.
Thaks GIE for clearing that up.
 
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Why does Jones obsess over spherules containing silicon? Does that nincompoop not realize that the presence of silicone in so many of his samples argues against their being thermite products?
 
You know, Dave, I think the truther problem is that they're enamored with the fact that "nanothermite" has a fast wavefront propogation,

To me, "fast wavefront propagation" translates to an audible "BOOM" and since the ratio of thermite to melted steel is the same for any kind of thermite, tons of the stuff would have to be used.

Someone has to convince me that "nanothermite" doesnt have an audio signature similar to any other man-made explosive, pound for pound.
 
Someone has to convince me that "nanothermite" doesnt have an audio signature similar to any other man-made explosive, pound for pound.

Well, there are no booms in all the videos, are there? What more evidence do you need?
 
Yes the stuff was found in the dust what else do you need?

No, there was no thermite found in the WTC, no effects on the steel. Jones made it up.

When was it found, what exactly is the stuff, and did you know Jones made up thermite without proof 4 years after 911 just because he could do it. In his first paper he pathetically makes up junk ideas because he hates Bush and the Iraq war which have nothing to do with 911, you and Jones are in the wrong forum, the political BS ideas are in the political forum.

Jones says - My own analysis of the "pancaking" floors model (the FEMA/NIST model) combined with Conservation of Momentum considerations gives a much longer time for the fall
He is wrong, he ignores the Penthouse falling first and lies about the Conservation of Momentum, he did not do a study, he presented no paper, or work on the subject; he is a liar. He just says so, so it is. A Fetzer thing.

Jones says - Squibs (horizontal puffs of smoke and debris) are observed emerging from WTC-7
There were broken windows, not explosives. He is a liar again, and has not even made up thermite yet in his first paper of woo.
Jones says - The pulverization of concrete to powder
What a dolt.

Jones says - The observations of molten metal (I did not say molten steel!) in the basements of all three buildings, WTC 1, 2 and 7 is consistent with the use of the extremely high-temperature thermite reaction: iron oxide + aluminum powder --> Al2O3 + molten iron. Falling buildings are not observed to generate melting of large quantities of molten metal -- this requires a concentrated heat source such as explosives.
No molten metal was ever shown, just talk about melted Al wheels etc. things that melt in fire (the Al aircraft melts in fire), and explosives do not create large amounts of molten metal, Jones makes this up as he goes to fool people who can’t think for themselves.

Jones says - Essentially none of these science-based considerations is mentioned in the Popular Mechanics article on this subject, authored by B. Chertoff (a cousin of M. Chertoff who heads the Homeland Security Dept.)
What is he saying here? Jones is saying, Jones is paranoid idiot who makes up conspiracy theories to fool people too dumb to know better.
Jones says - Explosions -- multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence -- were heard and reported by numerous observers in (and near) the WTC buildings, consistent with explosive demolition. Some of the firemen who reported explosions barely escaped with their lives.
Sorry, there were no sounds of explosives; there were sounds like explosions. Big difference, and Jones is making this up 4 years after 911, after we all saw the building fall on TV live 4 years earlier. Explosives were used in Jones mind, and on 911 no one explosives, not one, killed a person. No thermite devices were found. Thermite, or explosives touched no pieces of steel. So you are BUSTED, WRONG, just fooled by someone who makes up lies about 911; Jones.


Either you are politically biased or like stupid ideas on 911, or you lack knowledge and are not capable of knowing better and you embrace dirt dumb ideas on 911 made up for political reasons and too stupid to be believed by people who use evidence and research instead of hearsay, lies and delusions as 911Truth does, and Jones does.
 
ok you guys must be getting desperate your taking quotes from other people to try and make it look as if i said those things ,then debunking them .Reminds me of history channel.
in response to questions directed against me

1.Wheres the device which shoots nanothermite.
a. Possibly it doesnt exist because, a solgel nanothermite could be applied to steel in a foam or spray on manner.
b.the devices were destroyed by either
-nanothermite reaction
-the explosive nature of the event( remember computers werent found in the dust either.Just steel and dust.
-the cleanup workers such as as fbi at freshkills removed any left over devices (least likely too risky)

2.Finding common metal oxides in dust isnt uncommon?
- Yes that is true but to find all these combined into one sphere is.

3.Sound of explosion.
-A hot jet of air isnt that noisy, remember oxy cetalene torches dont make Boom noises.
- I wouldnt be so sure that explosions werent heard.There are many witnesses who heard them,in the 1993 wtc bombing witness couldnt hear the explosions from the other tower.

Finally if you listen to the Video ,Why cant you hear Tonnes of Steel hit the ground as if that wouldnt make a loud boom sound either.
So the audio recording devices and or tampering with audio must be taken into consideration.
 
ok you guys must be getting desperate your taking quotes from other people to try and make it look as if i said those things ,then debunking them .Reminds me of history channel.
in response to questions directed against me

1.Wheres the device which shoots nanothermite.
a. Possibly it doesnt exist because, a solgel nanothermite could be applied to steel in a foam or spray on manner.
b.the devices were destroyed by either
-nanothermite reaction
-the explosive nature of the event( remember computers werent found in the dust either.Just steel and dust.
-the cleanup workers such as as fbi at freshkills removed any left over devices (least likely too risky)

2.Finding common metal oxides in dust isnt uncommon?
- Yes that is true but to find all these combined into one sphere is.

3.Sound of explosion.
-A hot jet of air isnt that noisy, remember oxy cetalene torches dont make Boom noises.
- I wouldnt be so sure that explosions werent heard.There are many witnesses who heard them,in the 1993 wtc bombing witness couldnt hear the explosions from the other tower.

Finally if you listen to the Video ,Why cant you hear Tonnes of Steel hit the ground as if that wouldnt make a loud boom sound either.
So the audio recording devices and or tampering with audio must be taken into consideration.

1a.) One of the identifying characteristics of a foam is that it isn't as dense as the solid from which it is made.
Given the large amounts of thermite (or micro, nano, pico, or femtothermite) necessary to melt through a column, foam would make a very large volume package to try to wrap around a column. And now you have to smuggle a spray or foam applicator rig in, use it, allow the stuff to cure... This isn't even grasping at straws. It's just imagining that you're pretending that somewhere there is a straw to grasp.

1b.) The end result of a thermite reaction is iron. There was no report of pieces of column that were mysteriously thicker than they should have been. Thinner, eroded by a well-understood process involving sulphur, yes. Thicker, no.

1c.) Apparently you see how unlikely this is, so why bring it up?

2.) No. You're just wrong. There are lots of microspherules around. They're extremely common, because they are made of common elements and can be created by all sorts of everyday activities such as welding and grinding and burning stuff in furnaces. If you are specifically referring to the particles that Jones is on about, the silicon in them is inconsistent with their creation by thermite.

3.) If the reaction is explosive, then there's a shockwave. That's the whole point of an explosion. It's the shockwave that does the damage. In a shaped charge, it is the shockwave that is shaped. No shockwave? No directionality. No directionality? It becomes much more difficult to cut a column.

And if you have a shockwave, you have a boom. A shockwave large enough to cut a column makes a very large boom indeed. The 1993 bombing did do damage, but came nowhere near cutting a column.

I'm certain explosions were heard. Large fires tend to have explosions. They're not necessarily from explosives. Did you happen to see the Mythbusters episode in which they examined whether a fire extinguisher placed in a fire would explode and put out the fire? I'd characterize that as an explosion, if I heard it.

But intentional demolitions are characterized by the explosions being just before the collapse.


As to why you can't hear tonnes of steel hit. I don't know. You've got me. The recordings I heard did have sounds emanating from the collapse. Recording devices have a limited dynamic range, so I'm certain that the actual event was much louder and more detailed than what I heard.
Really, is your argument reduced to: "The recordings of the collapse didn't sound like what I thought they should, therefore we could have missed the explosions."? You should bear in mind that for the explosion to have caused the collapse, it would have to happen in the relative quiet before the collapse begins.


And yet, I think you're on to something with the foamy thermite idea. The fuel was sort of a foam. Like a foam, much of the fuel was some distance away from the columns. It was dispersed across all the floors in the form of wood, and carpet, and paper, and laminated desktops, and epoxy circuit boards, and plastic bezels and upholstery materials. It was non-uniform, and so it was extremely difficult to light. But with ten thousand gallons of kerosene as an igniter, it lit anyway.
 
GiE - how many kg or lbs of thermite were needed to do the job and how much steel would this melt?
 
GIE:
Show us where Dr. Jones has proved "therm?te" in the dust. He has not isolated it out from expected background contamination.

Show this or retract your ridiculous statement that "therm?te" was found in the dust.

Before you go all "truther", Dr. Jones and crew has yet to do this. Show me up if he has, I won't hold my breath.
 
The red chips are definately not fly ash or background contamination.
Kevin ryan said that independent labs are looking at the stuff and are conclusive to that its nanothermite.
Either hes lying and these labs will never peer review or confirm the nanothermite.
In which case i will Retract my beleif about its usage.
silicon oxides are used in thermite reactions in fact any metal oxides combined with aluminium create a thermite type reaction

The byproduct is molten iron, this drips off the steel as its molten and forms spheres.Most of it doesnt build up as residue on the steel beams.Although this was observed, in photos and anaylsis.


as a side note
If hes not lying then we have a real case against SAIC Science applications international corparation.The real meat and veg behind this conspiracy.
I dont beleive the inside job was carried out by the good people who work for the us govt.But a Military industrial Rogue group ,behind lockhead martin,jet propulsion laboratory,Saic,General electric, northgroup ,boeing, halliburton, dyncorp etc.
This group or conspiracy as i beleive got out of control during the cold war and usurped power from the democratic united states.
 
The red chips are definately not fly ash or background contamination.
Kevin ryan said that independent labs are looking at the stuff and are conclusive to that its nanothermite.
Either hes lying and these labs will never peer review or confirm the nanothermite.
In which case i will Retract my beleif about its usage.
silicon oxides are used in thermite reactions in fact any metal oxides combined with aluminium create a thermite type reaction

The byproduct is molten iron, this drips off the steel as its molten and forms spheres.Most of it doesnt build up as residue on the steel beams.Although this was observed, in photos and anaylsis.


as a side note
If hes not lying then we have a real case against SAIC Science applications international corparation.The real meat and veg behind this conspiracy.
I dont beleive the inside job was carried out by the good people who work for the us govt.But a Military industrial Rogue group ,behind lockhead martin,jet propulsion laboratory,Saic,General electric, northgroup ,boeing, halliburton, dyncorp etc.
This group or conspiracy as i beleive got out of control during the cold war and usurped power from the democratic united states.
You have delusions on 911. Get help soon

Kevin is Looney tunes.
 

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