A Thermite/Thermate Question

[Sunstealer]

THERMITE WELL: To cut metal with thermite, take a refractory crucible and
drill a 1/4 in. hole in the bottom. Epoxy a thin (20 ga.) sheet of mild steel
over the hole. Allow the epoxy to dry. Fill the crucible with ferro-thermite
and insert a first fire igniter in the thermite. Fashion a standoff to the
crucible. This should hold the crucible about 1 1/2 in. up. Place the well
over your target and ignite the first fire. The well works this way.
The thermite burns, making slag and iron. Since the iron is heavier it goes
to the bottom of the well. The molten iron burns through the metal sheet.
This produces a small delay which gives the iron and slag more time to
separate fully. The molten iron drips out through the hole in the bottom of
the crucible. The standoff allows the thermite to continue flowing out of the
crucible. The force of the dripping iron bores a hole in the target.
A 2 lb. thermite well can penetrate up to 3/4 in. of steel. Experiment with
different configurations to get maximum penetration. For a crucible, try a
flower pot coated with a magnesium oxide layer. Sometimes the pot cracks
however. Take the cast thermite formula and add 50% ferro-thermite to it.
This produces a fair amount of iron plus a very liquid slag.

Ok - lets assume that this was the method. I'm after a rough estimate for the following questions, but I also expect you to show your working. For starters;

Please provide the location of the devices needed to demolish the towers.

Based on the above, please show the number of devices required.

Based on the number of devices, please show how much thermite was required for such a job.

Lastly, why were the remnants or a number of these devices NOT found in the clear up bearing in mind that allsorts of items were found, many of which were quite fragile?

From where I sit this would mean that "clear-up crews" and other individual human beings attached to teams searching the rubble must have been "in on the plot" because how else would they find such fragile remnants yet find no mechanisms which were used with the application of thermite. What would Joe Bloggs do when he/she came across such an item? They would have to have pre-knowledge of what such an item looked like so they could spirit it away from prying eyes.

 

[Quad4_72]

Jones stated that thermite was a "clever" choice because its ingredients, aluminum and iron oxide do not require identifying tags by law, meaning they couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.

I see you don't feel like addressing many of the important points brought to your attention. Let me present two of the especially important ones that I feel you REALLY should provide an explanation for.

They were cut. Just not by what you assume.

great now try it sideways, on a 16" x 36" by 3" thick core column.

 

[GodisEnergy]

First you all said - and alot of you still beleive

""Nanothermite doesnt exist ,it must be the govts Alien technology""

Now i proved to you that linear cutter charges can use thermate.
I proved to you that a joint US-Russian operation to use thermite with linear cutter charges could be used to destroy nuclear silos with thermate at any altitude in any direction.

Then i proved to you that Nanothermite Sol gels do exist.
Invented by lanl los alamos national labatory,
Then i proved that the nanothermite they make has the exact same chemical signature as the wtc dust.

Now were looking at Steven Jones latest Discovery the Unexploded Nanothermite .Red chips

You said nanothermite doesnt look like that.
Well now its time to put the final nail in the coffin for you debunker friends.

And i will give up trying to prove to you inside job if you dont look at this evidence because quite frankly,
you remind me of Christians with there lame attempts at debunking ''god isnt real''.


Here is a sample of Nanothermite Kevin Ryan made in the laboratory with sol gels.Its not the exact chemical formula .
It looks the Same. ( i wonder why it didnt make it onto this site before)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32512879@N05/sets/72157611572140729/show/

 

[beachnut]

First you all said - and alot of you still beleive

""Nanothermite doesnt exist ,it must be the govts Alien technology""

Now i proved to you that linear cutter charges can use thermate.
I proved to you that a joint US-Russian operation to use thermite with linear cutter charges could be used to destroy nuclear silos with thermate at any altitude in any direction.

Then i proved to you that Nanothermite Sol gels do exist.
Invented by lanl los alamos national labatory,
Then i proved that the nanothermite they make has the exact same chemical signature as the wtc dust.

Now were looking at Steven Jones latest Discovery the Unexploded Nanothermite .Red chips

You said nanothermite doesnt look like that.
Well now its time to put the final nail in the coffin for you debunker friends.

And i will give up trying to prove to you inside job if you dont look at this evidence because quite frankly,
you remind me of Christians with there lame attempts at debunking ''god isnt real''.


Here is a sample of Nanothermite Kevin Ryan made in the laboratory with sol gels.Its not the exact chemical formula .
It looks the Same. ( i wonder why it didnt make it onto this site before)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32512879@N05/sets/72157611572140729/show/

Thermite did not make the WTC collapse, Jones made it up. A delusion.

Jones says 4 years after 911. He woke up, think it was hate of Bush. - 5. I conducted simple experiments on the "pancaking" theory, by dropping cement blocks from approximately 12 feet onto other cement blocks. (The floors in the WTC buildings were about 12 feet apart.) We are supposed to believe, from the pancaking theory, that a concrete floor dropping 12 feet onto another concrete floor will result in PULVERIZED concrete observed during the Towers' collapses! Nonsense! My own experiments, and I welcome you to try this yourself, is that only chips/large chunks of cement flaked off the blocks -- no mass pulverization

How scientific; has he decided what did it?

Here he makes up Thermite, out of the blue based on his own fantasy ideas.
6. The observations of molten metal (I did not say molten steel!) in the basements of all three buildings, WTC 1, 2 and 7 is consistent with the use of the extremely high-temperature thermite reaction: iron oxide + aluminum powder --> Al2O3 + molten iron. Falling buildings are not observed to generate melting of large quantities of molten metal -- this requires a concentrated heat source such as explosives. Even the government reports admit that the fires were insufficient to melt steel beams (they argue for heating and warping then failure of these beams) -- but these reports do not mention the observed molten metal in the basements of WTC1, 2 and 7. Again we have a glaring omission of critical data in the FEMA, NIST and 9-11 Commission reports.

He makes up Thermite. 4 years after 9/11. How sad, he does not do one calcuatoin, just waves his hands and presents insane ideas based on his own delusion.

He waves his hands and says -

I conclude that the evidence for pre-positioned explosives in WTC 7 (also in towers 1 and 2) is truly compelling.

Proof Jones is blowing smoke on these issues; is the lack of a Pulitzer Prize! Did he forget to forward his evidence and proof? lol

Proof all you have is hearsay, lies and fantasy; you lack of a Pulitzer Prize. The fact is you rely on the rants of a few fringe people who have no clue how 9/11 happened, so they make up false ideas and let you repeat it without evidence or facts to support your conclusions based on the delusions of other people who have no clue.

 

[Alt+F4]

And i will give up trying to prove to you inside job if you dont look at this evidence because quite frankly,
you remind me of Christians with there lame attempts at debunking ''god isnt real''.

Why do you want to prove an inside job to anyone on this forum? Shouldn't you be taking this information to someone that can use it to the benefit of the victim's, their families and the American public in general?

 

[A W Smith]

First you all said - and alot of you still beleive

""Nanothermite doesnt exist ,it must be the govts Alien technology""

Now i proved to you that linear cutter charges can use thermate.
I proved to you that a joint US-Russian operation to use thermite with linear cutter charges could be used to destroy nuclear silos with thermate at any altitude in any direction.

Then i proved to you that Nanothermite Sol gels do exist.
Invented by lanl los alamos national labatory,
Then i proved that the nanothermite they make has the exact same chemical signature as the wtc dust.

Now were looking at Steven Jones latest Discovery the Unexploded Nanothermite .Red chips

You said nanothermite doesnt look like that.
Well now its time to put the final nail in the coffin for you debunker friends.

And i will give up trying to prove to you inside job if you dont look at this evidence because quite frankly,
you remind me of Christians with there lame attempts at debunking ''god isnt real''.


Here is a sample of Nanothermite Kevin Ryan made in the laboratory with sol gels.Its not the exact chemical formula .
It looks the Same. ( i wonder why it didnt make it onto this site before)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32512879@N05/sets/72157611572140729/show/

What???
you failed to prove any plausible scenario for thermite or explosive CD of ANY WTC building, 1 , 2 OR 7, we have shown you that any linear shaped devices capable of cutting through the columns would need to be the size of sofas surrounding the columns on all sides, we have shown you that any "paint" chips would be on insufficient thickness to do any damage other than peeling the primer off the steel, we have shown you that 1000 pounds of thermite can't even cut a car in half. We have shown you that the steel was examined at fresh kills before being exported.

the only nails in any coffin are those of your own.

 

[GodisEnergy]

With normal thermite you dont even need sofa sized cutter charges ,remember the document i showed you with the linear charges to pulverise concrete and steel with normal thermate.
nanothermite which is far more energetic around 1000x then the ammount required is far less ,its far more concentrated, and has the capabilities to see the most bizarre vapourization of steel and turning concrete into dust.

 

[GodisEnergy]

Here is a 250 mg sample of nanothermite. If this was normal thermite you would hardly see an explosion at all ,
imagine the power of 1kg concentrated into a high velocity jet of hot air.

 

[Baylor]

GodisImaginary, I'm gonna be nice and explain this to you one time. There's no such thing as a "linear thermite cutter charge". I don't care what you've read at a patent website or twoofer forum. A "shaped charge" means that the charge is focused to direct the explosive energy in one direction. The result is a hole in the steel the same shape as the charge. This process is called the Monroe Effect. The implosion industry uses a linear shape charge. You can't have a "shaped charge" without an explosion. Simple as that.

If my masterful prose isn't enough, chew on this for a while...

 

[leftysergeant]

Get it straight. Thermite does not pulverize concrete. There is no way on earth that it can. Thus, the absence of the sounds of explosions argues against CD of any kind, and the dust is meaningless.

 

[Dave Rogers]

nanothermite which is far more energetic around 1000x then the ammount required is far less ,its far more concentrated,

Can you explain to the unenlightened the process by which grinding up a substance more finely increases its chemical energy density, rather than simply the rate at which that energy is released?

Dave

 

[e^n]

One thing that confuses me is when people propose thermite was used in order to reduce the sound involved with the detonation, but then propose a super nano-thermite was used that explodes as if it had detonated.

It is the explosion that makes the sound! Perhaps I have finally lost it.

 

[Dave Rogers]

One thing that confuses me is when people propose thermite was used in order to reduce the sound involved with the detonation, but then propose a super nano-thermite was used that explodes as if it had detonated.

It is the explosion that makes the sound! Perhaps I have finally lost it.

No, it's simply a variant on the truthers who insist there had to be explosives and thermite. Since explosives make too much noise, it couldn't just be explosives, but explosives can cut steel columns. Since thermite can't cut steel columns, it can't just be thermite, but thermite doesn't make any noise. So you just use both: explosives to cut the steel columns, and thermite to not make any noise. Simple.

Dave

 

[ElMondoHummus]

You know, Dave, I think the truther problem is that they're enamored with the fact that "nanothermite" has a fast wavefront propogation, which in their minds makes it one hell of a destructive explosive. That this has only been demonstrated on the micro level in cells (to the best of my knowledge) is irrelevant. That such a presumption would make what is normally an incendiary an inferior explosive to other explosives is also irrelevant. Selective information acceptance is at play here.

Furthermore, I don't think a lot of these fantasy addicts stop and think about the concept of "work". No, that's not a slam on their employment opportunities, but rather a recognition of how much energy is required to accomplish the task at hand. To do the work of rendering steel molten requires a set amount of energy per unit of mass (of course you know this, most likely better than I, but I'm being pedantic for the benefit of lurking readers), and to understand how much "nano" thermite is needed to fulfil that requirement is to recognize that the speed of the explosive wave is less relevant than the amount of thermal energy available. Ergo, the truther fascination with the type of incendiary material used instead of a focus on the energetics of the scenario is due to enchantment with the sexy numbers of "nanothermite" and not to any real consideration of what is required to do the task.

That's my opinion only, but I think it pretty well describes the conspiracy peddler's approach.

 

[Sunstealer]

^ This is what I find intriguing too. They just plainly and simply do not understand even the most basic principles involved with Chemistry. They get sucked in with words like "nano" just as a poor golfer believes "titanium!" will magically improve his swing.

I've already tried to get them to work out which beams and supports actually need to be cut in order to bring the WTC down in a number of threads including this one, but the truthers can't even do that. If they did manage to give a reasonable suggestion then it wouldn't be difficult to work out the thermal energy required to melt those sections and therefore the amount of thermite/thermate/explosives/or whatever needed to do it.

Instead we just get links to some very blurred images of, well I'm not sure what of, because it could be anything, no analysis, not even a scale on the photos. It just shows how amateurish these people are. The same nonsense is trotted out like "pulverised concrete" which just cannot possibly happen with thermite. I find it quite sad rather than hilarious.

GiE - work out what sections that need to be cut to make the WTC collapse and we can then do the rest of the work to show you how much of a given substance would be needed for the task.

 

[beachnut]

Here is a 250 mg sample of nanothermite. If this was normal thermite you would hardly see an explosion at all ,
imagine the power of 1kg concentrated into a high velocity jet of hot air.

Do you know you were fooled by Jones. Are you an engineer?

Which part of Jones made up the thermite scenario out of desperation 4 years after 911 when he went nuts, or anti-Bush, or some other extreme bias and decided to make up lies? Pure nut case ideas and you are pursuing a failed scenario for Jones who made it up.
Wow

Funny, you have no clue on 911; Does this mean you join Jones apologizing for terrorist, apologizing for murderers? Why do you make up delusional ideas on 9/11 without evidence?

Please compare and contrast a kg of your nano-thermite stuff to a kg of jet fuel in joules, so your delusion can be understood.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

They get sucked in with words like "nano" just as a poor golfer believes "titanium!" will magically improve his swing.

It doesn't?

(*Hides titanium driver behind back...* )

 

[Evilgiraffe]

^ This is what I find intriguing too. They just plainly and simply do not understand even the most basic principles involved with Chemistry. They get sucked in with words like "nano" just as a poor golfer believes "titanium!" will magically improve his swing.

But, but, but.... NANO!

It sounds so science-y and futuristic.

 

[George 152]

how can u debunk remote control planes ?

Rather easily.
The aircraft involved on 9/11 were tracked from the loading of passengers, fuel, crew and cargo to their eventual destination.
No-one has ever rigged such an aircraft for any remote control.
To do so would take aeronautical engineers to design the systems, LAMES to install it, the aircraft's manufacturers test pilots to get it working and all the ancillaries who work around aircraft.
Oh and the 'ground' controllers would have to undergo training on simulators before being cleared onto the 'real' thing.

 

[lapman]

But, but, but.... NANO!

It sounds so science-y and futuristic.

About as scientific as: