Bush Derangement Syndrome?

Kestrel said:
If a Bush critic is making errors of fact or logic, feel free to point out those specific errors. Claiming they have "Bush Derangement Syndrome" is nothing more than a personal attack. It's no more valid than the old Soviet Union claiming that critics of the regime were insane.
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Now that's funny. If only Russians who criticized the Soviet system and its leaders were merely called names and not sent to labor camps. Why wouldn't those who routinely attack Bush using personal insults for any and all perceived injustices in the world be exempt from also being labeled with a personal insult such as suffering from BDS?
 
BPSCG said:
That is quite incorrect. It has a very clear meaning, given by the psychiatrist who first identified it:

FWIW, I very much doubt that Dr. Charles Krauthammer actually published his findings in any peer-reviewed medical journal.
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LOL. So Krauthammer came up with a new term for a specific kind of "Political partisanship"? I guess his immortality is assured. :D

This is so very not significant. Still, it does give me the rare opportunity to repeat a joke from many years ago that I read in a 1938 issue of Reader's Digest. (My grandmother never threw magazines away.)
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A man is taking his aged and hard-of-hearing father to church. After the ceremony, he tries to introduce him to some of the church officials:

Son: Father, I want you to meet Phillip, he's our new Deacon.
Father: New Dealer???!! I don't wanna talk to no dang New Dealer!
Son: No, Father, you don't understand. He's a son of a Bishop.
Father: Yep. They all are.
 
Redtail said:
Yeah... Bush has the Hitler mustache. Obama pals around with terrorists.

Bush is called "Chimpy" or "Shrub". Obama is called "BO" or "Barack HUSSIEN... Obama".

Bush isn't the president because he stole the election. Obama isn't president because he's not a citizen.

Only the Democrats do such things. Only the Republicans do such things.:rolleyes:
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Yup, this pretty much sums up about 90% of the posts in this thread. I swear this thread is a very interesting display of selective thinking and cognitive dissonance on the part of many folks who I'd normally consider good skeptics.

Ah well, we all have our flaws, I suppose.
 
Cicero said:
Now that's funny. If only Russians who criticized the Soviet system and its leaders were merely called names and not sent to labor camps. Why wouldn't those who routinely attack Bush using personal insults for any and all perceived injustices in the world be exempt from also being labeled with a personal insult such as suffering from BDS?
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Do you want to participate in political discussions based on information and logic or just exchange insults with the other side?
 
MattusMaximus said:
Yup, this pretty much sums up about 90% of the posts in this thread. I swear this thread is a very interesting display of selective thinking and cognitive dissonance on the part of many folks who I'd normally consider good skeptics.

Ah well, we all have our flaws, I suppose.
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No wonder "Politics" has a reputation at JREF as being the board where logic and reason go to die.
 
What gets to me is the blinders. Anybody who suggest that some..not all... of the attacks on Bush are just plain over the top stupid is a "Bush Apologist".
What really concerns me is the firm belief among some people that you have be either a militant liberal or a liberal conservative, with no place in between.
And I love the way they don't understand that the term "deragement" is being used not to imply that someone is insane, but a figure of speech that someone has allowed his hatred of Bush to overcome all common sense and evidence. I am beginning to really hate the games with Semantics here where the idea of "figure of speech" or "analogy" do not exist.
 
BPSCG said:
So rather than show serious evidence of the CDS you claim exists, you find fault with mine.
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Huh? Unless I've overlooked something, all you've posted are anecdotal recollections.

Mind you, I'm not asking that you prove your anecdotal recollections. I also recollect people calling Bush Hitler and the like. Just like I recollect people calling Obama a commie and an Islamist sleeper agent.

I think that's the same line of argument the ID people used in the Dover, Pennsylvania Kitzmiller case, that ID nuts use all the time: "Evolution doesn't explain everything, therefore creationism is true."
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Gibberish of a high order.

Actually, that would be Carter.
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Even if this sophomoric dodge is correct (I don't think it is), you continue to overlook a valid point: It is natural that there will be more hostility towards a president who is widely perceived as a massive failure, who started an optional, prolonged war, and who led the country into economic collapse (Bush) than a president who is generally perceived as successful, who did not start an optional, prolonged war, and who led the country into economic boom (Clinton).
 
BPSCG said:
So rather than show serious evidence of the CDS you claim exists, you find fault with mine. I think that's the same line of argument the ID people used in the Dover, Pennsylvania Kitzmiller case, that ID nuts use all the time: "Evolution doesn't explain everything, therefore creationism is true."
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Wouldn't Goodbye to the Black Helicopters constitute evidence? Do you want the link again?
 
varwoche said:
Huh? Unless I've overlooked something, all you've posted are anecdotal recollections.
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And you haven't even done that.

Mind you, I'm not asking that you prove your anecdotal recollections. I also recollect people calling Bush Hitler and the like. Just like I recollect people calling Obama a commie and an Islamist sleeper agent.
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And you have to ask yourself, are those people calling Obama a commie and an Islamist sleeper agent otherwise rational?

If so, that's ODS.

If not, then they're just your ordinary nutcases. Remember, xDS is the acute onset of paranoia (i.e., irrational fear) of otherwise normal people at the mere thought of x.

Show me someone who's otherwise rational who goes all foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of - and only at the mere mention of - Barack Obama, and I'll concede that person has ODS.

BPSCG said:
Actually, that would be Carter.
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varwoche said:
Even if this sophomoric dodge is correct (I don't think it is),
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Ah. Well, you stated as established fact that Bush was the worst president. My equally unsupported claim that it was Carter is, OTOH, a "sophomoric dodge."

you continue to overlook a valid point: It is natural that there will be more hostility towards a president who is widely perceived as a massive failure, who started an optional, prolonged war, and who led the country into economic collapse (Bush) than a president who is generally perceived as successful, who did not start an optional, prolonged war, and who led the country into economic boom (Clinton).
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...and then you go on to compare Bush's treatment not with Carter's, but with Bill Clinton's. Move the goalposts much?

If Carter was not the country's worst president, he's certainly a strong contender. It takes little editing of your case against Bush to turn it into a case against Carter, viz: "...a president who is widely perceived as a massive failure, who stood watch while the Soviet Union sought to expand its empire and while Iran held Americans captive for over a year, and who led the country into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression."

Of Bush and Carter, one left Washington to the childish taunts of people who hated him with a blinding passion. The other left quietly, because his political enemies were adults, and not afflicted with Carter Derangement Syndrome.
 
BPSCG said:
And you have to ask yourself, are those people calling Obama a commie and an Islamist sleeper agent otherwise rational?
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Are you suggesting that those who say that Bush is Hitler are otherwise rational?

Keep on drawing that bulls-eye smaller and smaller.

If not, then they're just your ordinary nutcases. Remember, xDS is the acute onset of paranoia (i.e., irrational fear) of otherwise normal people at the mere thought of x.
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You're treating political sloganeering as if it's testable science, which is laughable.

...and then you go on to compare Bush's treatment not with Carter's, but with Bill Clinton's. Move the goalposts much?
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Seeing as we were talking about Bush & Clinton, no, not at all -- it's you moving the goalposts. Even if Bush is the 2nd worst POTUS of modern times my point still stands.

Of Bush and Carter, one left Washington to the childish taunts of people who hated him with a blinding passion. The other left quietly, because his political enemies were adults, and not afflicted with Carter Derangement Syndrome.
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I contend that visibility of *DS is a phenomonon of the internet / 24x7 news age.

You're the one making the claim that BDS is real and special, and your argument is unconvincing in the extreme. And you blindly overlook Bush's abysmal job performance as a factor.
 
dudalb said:
Agreed, but what makes this section unusual is that people who are rational on most issues lose that when political ideology is invovled.
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I'm also guilty of this, to a certain degree. But at least I admit it.
 
dudalb said:
What gets to me is the blinders. Anybody who suggest that some..not all... of the attacks on Bush are just plain over the top stupid is a "Bush Apologist".
What really concerns me is the firm belief among some people that you have be either a militant liberal or a liberal conservative, with no place in between.
And I love the way they don't understand that the term "deragement" is being used not to imply that someone is insane, but a figure of speech that someone has allowed his hatred of Bush to overcome all common sense and evidence. I am beginning to really hate the games with Semantics here where the idea of "figure of speech" or "analogy" do not exist.
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Well said.
 
varwoche said:
Are you suggesting that those who say that Bush is Hitler are otherwise rational?
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BPSCG, I'm wondering if you care to demonstrate which of the people who called Bush Hitler are otherwise rational? This is a fair question seeing as this is the standard you put forth in your challenge.

Either that or concede that the challenge amounted to a game of dueling rorschach -- with the ridiculous expectation that the other inkblot pattern must be a precise match to your inkblot pattern.
 
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