Inauguration Crap

[DrBaltar]

That's odd. I haven't gotten the memo at work saying anything about White History month coming up. I haven't seen any white history specials on TV. The history classes at school seem to simply go through as much relevant history as time allows without focusing exclusively on any one race. Hmm, perhaps we're in different countries. Are you talking about the US?

 

[GreyICE]

That's odd. I haven't gotten the memo at work saying anything about White History month coming up. I haven't seen any white history specials on TV. The history classes at school seem to simply go through as much relevant history as time allows without focusing exclusively on any one race. Hmm, perhaps we're in different countries. Are you talking about the US?

Huh. Why yes, I am. I'm pretty sure you walked into this when you used the phrase 'relevant history.'

Of course you walked into the affirmative action thing too. It's not your day.

 

[alfaniner]

I haven't seen any white history specials on TV.

Then you haven't been looking hard enough...

 

[GreyICE]

Because it is "proof" that colour of skin is no longer "important".

Because less than half a century ago skin color would have made him sit at the back of a bus. Because less than half a century ago, skin color caused riots that tore into our nation. Because less than half a century ago it was acceptable to segregate schools because of this skin color.

I cannot believe that so many people think that so clear a symbol of our ability to move past bigotry and hatred is not worth celebrating.

 

[DrBaltar]

Ah, thanks alfaniner. I feel so in touch with my people now.

 

[Checkmite]

In your zealousness to label people you don't agree with a racist, you missed the point of what I wrote and turned it into another strawman argument. It's your fiction that I formed an opinion of the entire black race based on one black boy and one black family.

No, but you've indicated that for some reason you seem to think it's perfectly reasonable for your kids to form opinions about "these black people" based on not much more than two black kids and one black family.

 

[KingMerv00]

oh dear, they are all praying now.
where is that wall between state and church?

I didn't read the whole thread. Did anyone address this?


The wall does not separate the state from free speech.


(Edited to fix a poor metaphor)

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

I really don’t mean to pick on you, but come on…

In your zealousness to label people you don't agree with a racist, you missed the point of what I wrote and turned it into another strawman argument...

…um…

Mulatto, but anyway... no when making the decision on who to elect, I'd look at what he's achieved (a year or 2 in the senate), some work on fund raising with Ayers the terrorist, his communist upbringing, and his socialist plans for America and move him up front and center ahead of people with decades of experience and service to this country.

-bolding by PA-


Holy self-accusing irony, Batman!

 

[332nd]

That's odd. I haven't gotten the memo at work saying anything about White History month coming up. I haven't seen any white history specials on TV. The history classes at school seem to simply go through as much relevant history as time allows without focusing exclusively on any one race. Hmm, perhaps we're in different countries. Are you talking about the US?

Ah! I see you were referring to the name not the content. Ok, see we got the name and content in February because the history classes at school simply went through as much relevant history as time allowed, Black history just tended to fall short in relevance.

For example, in local history we were taught about our town's founders, the battles that took place in the area (Reidsville, Greensboro, Eden NC) during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, life in WWI and WII*, and when we got to the Civil Rights Movement there was a nice little tale about the owner of the local BBQ joint who started allowing Blacks in the front door. A good thing to be sure! Then I get to college and take my first Black History class and find that the sit in movement started in Greensboro NC... not relevent I guess.

As for White History Specials, check out the movies and Documentaries about Gen. Patton or Teddy Roosevelt. Then look for the 761st tank Batt. or the 24th INF. Granted they do pop up from time to time, (at least the 24th does) but if the special isn't about them directly it rare.

 

[fuelair]

Ah! I see you were referring to the name not the content. Ok, see we got the name and content in February because the history classes at school simply went through as much relevant history as time allowed, Black history just tended to fall short in relevance.

For example, in local history we were taught about our town's founders, the battles that took place in the area (Reidsville, Greensboro, Eden NC) during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, life in WWI and WII*, and when we got to the Civil Rights Movement there was a nice little tale about the owner of the local BBQ joint who started allowing Blacks in the front door. A good thing to be sure! Then I get to college and take my first Black History class and find that the sit in movement started in Greensboro NC... not relevent I guess.

As for White History Specials, check out the movies and Documentaries about Gen. Patton or Teddy Roosevelt. Then look for the 761st tank Batt. or the 24th INF. Granted they do pop up from time to time, (at least the 24th does) but if the special isn't about them directly it rare.

Part of the problem (for me - I'm cauc.) is that although it is called Black History month, even in schools all it really is is a documentary or two about MLK and/or the Freedom riders and related, possibly one or two fictionalized things about black sports groups/kids that did something well and some minio-biography activities about the black guy who invented the traffic light and G.W.Carver. No artists, not even the Highwaymen, nothing about the Negro Leagues, no Oscar Micheaux, Lena Horne, Freddie Washington, Nicholas Bros.,
Gordon Parks, no Harlem Globetrotters, etc. No debates: Amos and Andy: Was the NAACP right or wrong on it? No discussions of the Pullmen porters and their influence on Southern blacks deserting the South for the Midwest - or the papers smuggled in from Chicago + that helped it along. And that barely touches it and only includes the US part of Black History. I rant somewhere on this every year*. This is this years place and time.




*And don't get me started on leaving out the Deacons...

 

[332nd]

Part of the problem (for me - I'm cauc.) is that although it is called Black History month, even in schools all it really is is a documentary or two about MLK and/or the Freedom riders and related, possibly one or two fictionalized things about black sports groups/kids that did something well and some minio-biography activities about the black guy who invented the traffic light and G.W.Carver. No artists, not even the Highwaymen, nothing about the Negro Leagues, no Oscar Micheaux, Lena Horne, Freddie Washington, Nicholas Bros.,
Gordon Parks, no Harlem Globetrotters, etc. No debates: Amos and Andy: Was the NAACP right or wrong on it? No discussions of the Pullmen porters and their influence on Southern blacks deserting the South for the Midwest - or the papers smuggled in from Chicago + that helped it along. And that barely touches it and only includes the US part of Black History. I rant somewhere on this every year*. This is this years place and time.




*And don't get me started on leaving out the Deacons...

Oh I agree! I'm not a fan if Black History Month. It started in Reidsville when I was in 10th grade and it was just MLK, Harriet Tubman, and Fredrick Douglass.... for the next three years. In fact at A&T we called it "National Need a Negro Month" due to the fact that around Sept we started getting calls about coming to high schools and doing shows about MLK Harriet Tubman, or Jackie Robinson. (At least that changed.) I hope one day it ends and we can just have American History with more inclusion for all.

 

[DrBaltar]

Ah! I see you were referring to the name not the content. Ok, see we got the name and content in February because the history classes at school simply went through as much relevant history as time allowed, Black history just tended to fall short in relevance.

So did Native American history, Mexican American history, Chinese American history. I don't know about now, but they didn't go over the Vietnam war much either. The civil rights movement of the 60s was covered though. Slavery was certainly covered, as well as the civil war. There were other elements of each of the other groups I mentioned too covered in history.

I'm sorry you particular school glossed over the civil war, but mine covered the subject pretty well. They also talked about conditions that slaves endured, brief African history as a prelude to slavery, slave ships, the 3/5 compromise, Uncle Tom, etc.

As for White History Specials, check out the movies and Documentaries about Gen. Patton or Teddy Roosevelt. Then look for the 761st tank Batt. or the 24th INF. Granted they do pop up from time to time, (at least the 24th does) but if the special isn't about them directly it rare.

WWII was a huge event in the 20th century, and the allies' European front is a major part of that. What man, white or black had more to do with the execution of that front than General Patton?

As for the 761st Tank Battalion, you have to teach the history of WWII, the German occupation of France, the major battles that played out in what is actually one of two major fronts in WWII before you've set the stage to talk about the achievements of the 761st tank battalion. What other major elements of history should be omitted to make note of first achievements for black people in classrooms filled with kids of European, Mexican, Native American, Asian and African descent?

 

[dudalb]

BTW, Redtail (and I know where that name comes from) there is a film in the works about the 761st, but it seems to have been caught in the same development hell that Lucas's film on the Tuskagee airmen is stuck in.
So what we get is a mediocre "Saving Private Ryan" wannbe film about black GI's from Spike Lee, whose mouth is once gain greater then what he actually puts up on the screen. "Miracle at St Anna's" is one of the years big busts.

 

[Meadmaker]

Yeah, you forgot the s.

 

[Checkmite]

What other major elements of history should be omitted to make note of first achievements for black people in classrooms filled with kids of European, Mexican, Native American, Asian and African descent?

You speak as if Black history holds some kind of cirricular monopoly in February. Do you honestly think school teachers have to sacrifice discussion of some other element of history in order to put of a couple of posters and a banner saying "BLACK HISTORY MONTH"? Because that's about the extent of what Black History Month meant in the schools I attended. Does the existence of so-called "Black History Month" result in kids lacking some fundamental, crucial historical understanding when they graduate, that they otherwise would've obtained?

 

[DrBaltar]

You speak as if Black history holds some kind of cirricular monopoly in February. Do you honestly think school teachers have to sacrifice discussion of some other element of history in order to put of a couple of posters and a banner saying "BLACK HISTORY MONTH"? Because that's about the extent of what Black History Month meant in the schools I attended. Does the existence of so-called "Black History Month" result in kids lacking some fundamental, crucial historical understanding when they graduate, that they otherwise would've obtained?

No, I don't think they sacrifice the curriculum for BHM. My problem with it is
1. that it seems to imply that we don't spend enough time teaching black history in schools when blacks are in fact not ignored in history, while other minority groups are ignored without protest. But never-the-less, the annual recognition of black history month is a constant reminder to the liberally minded in education that their job is to gradually add more and more black history to the curriculum each year.
2. it seems like yet another example of blacks complaining about not being the center of attention
3. it is by definition racist, when I thought the goal was not to be racist. (i.e. is White History month racist? Yes)

 

[332nd]

So did Native American history, Mexican American history, Chinese American history. I don't know about now, but they didn't go over the Vietnam war much either. The civil rights movement of the 60s was covered though. Slavery was certainly covered, as well as the civil war. There were other elements of each of the other groups I mentioned too covered in history.

Yes, I know. There were "elements" of the other groups covered in mine too. Enough to get ones attention but little depth.

I'm sorry you particular school glossed over the civil war, but mine covered the subject pretty well. They also talked about conditions that slaves endured, brief African history as a prelude to slavery, slave ships, the 3/5 compromise, Uncle Tom, etc.

As did mine. There was very little problem with the slavery part. The problem (for me and many others) is that after the Civil War nothing much seemed to happen until the civil rights movement.

WWII was a huge event in the 20th century, and the allies' European front is a major part of that. What man, white or black had more to do with the execution of that front than General Patton?

None.

As for the 761st Tank Battalion, you have to teach the history of WWII, the German occupation of France, the major battles that played out in what is actually one of two major fronts in WWII before you've set the stage to talk about the achievements of the 761st tank battalion. What other major elements of history should be omitted to make note of first achievements for black people in classrooms filled with kids of European, Mexican, Native American, Asian and African descent?

To answer your question, none.

Two questions. 1. How long does it take to mention the 761st?
2. Did it ever occur to you that what with minorities and women being heavily oppressed for a good part of American history that little White male history was omitted? (Plus it's not like said oppression ended with Lincoln, Paul, Morales, King etc... It got better. MUCH better, but it didn't end.)

No, I don't think they sacrifice the curriculum for BHM. My problem with it is
1. that it seems to imply that we don't spend enough time teaching black history in schools when blacks are in fact not ignored in history, while other minority groups are ignored without protest.

Are you sure there is no protest?

But never-the-less, the annual recognition of black history month is a constant reminder to the liberally minded in education that their job is to gradually add more and more black history to the curriculum each year.

LOL! Yeah... No.

2. it seems like yet another example of blacks complaining about not being the center of attention

Who was it that brought up White History Month again?

3. it is by definition racist, when I thought the goal was not to be racist. (i.e. is White History month racist? Yes)

Ok, when did you graduate from high school?

 

[332nd]

BTW, Redtail (and I know where that name comes from) there is a film in the works about the 761st, but it seems to have been caught in the same development hell that Lucas's film on the Tuskagee airmen is stuck in.

Yeah I know! The problems ( from a historical point of view at least.) seem to be that there was a documentary about the 761st that credited them with liberating Buchenwald when they didn't and the smaller camps they did liberate are over shadowed. The Redtails it seems that they did loose bombers. (At least three that were lost on the day the news broke in America that they hadn't lost any.) Again this over shadows what what still be among the best of the escorts. (If not THE best.)

So what we get is a mediocre "Saving Private Ryan" wannbe film about black GI's from Spike Lee, whose mouth is once gain greater then what he actually puts up on the screen. "Miracle at St Anna's" is one of the years big busts.

Please don't mention Spike... Please...

 

[slingblade]

That's odd. I haven't gotten the memo at work saying anything about White History month coming up. I haven't seen any white history specials on TV. The history classes at school seem to simply go through as much relevant history as time allows without focusing exclusively on any one race. Hmm, perhaps we're in different countries. Are you talking about the US?

Every day is white history day. Hadn't you ever noticed?

 

[Whiplash]

You guys are reminding me when I was very young, usually on Mother's or Father's day, I would ask "when is children's day?" and they would say "Everyday is children's day!".