SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

[GMB]

He just made it up. And he couldn't reproduce an example of anything similiar elsewhere. He put numbers all over the place but he was bluffing.

 

[kitakaze]

He just made it up. And he couldn't reproduce an example of anything similiar elsewhere. He put numbers all over the place but he was bluffing.

You seem to have missed the multiple examples you were given. Do you have anything other than your opinion that the geologist speaking to you was making things up? You can say he was bluffing if you like but without something to substantiate the claim, it's just a trouser cough in the wind.

 

[GMB]

I'm waiting for some picture of things elsewhere that are anything like the extraordinary Mars pictures. Something that is known to be natural and looks anything like the Mars gear which is obviously artificial.

Thats the thing. The anti-artificial crowd hasn't really wanted to roll out a case. If instead of those google numbers he had actually made good on the pictures well that might pan out who knows. I appreciate his specialist knowledge. But the fact is he's biased. He's putting up the evidence bar ridiculously high. Yet there is no reason why we ought not believe in an ancient outpost in the first place so no reason to put the evidence bar up to such high levels.

 

[Akhenaten]

Look you find me some banded tubes that aren't artificial and I'll say you have a point.

Do you have those pictures fella? No you don't. So stop being so tiresome and just admit you are wrong and that I am right.

Apart from an appalling attitude, you don't have anything at all to present here, do you? What a sad individual.

 

[Akhenaten]

I'm waiting for some picture of things elsewhere that are anything like the extraordinary Mars pictures. Something that is known to be natural and looks anything like the Mars gear which is obviously artificial.

Thats the thing. The anti-artificial crowd hasn't really wanted to roll out of case. If instead of those google numbers he had actually made good on the pictures well that might pan out who knows. I appreciate his specialist knowledge. But the fact is he's biased. He's putting up the evidence bar ridiculously high. Yet there is no reason why we ought not believe in an ancient outpost in the first place so no reason to put the evidence bar up to such high levels.

I forgot to mention illiterate.

 

[GMB]

You haven't seen earlier in the thread. We've got all the pictures there.

 

[GMB]

Regarding the "tubes for industrial vehicles" well, think about this- they link nothing to anything. And why would underground facilities need tubular roads at the surface?

Good point. Think about it. In high traffic areas you'd expect them to be underground to save on the need to have special suits to protect one from cosmic rays. So there is a test right there. Around the larger structures if there isn't underground tunnels then thats a blow to the thesis.

But to put the tunnels underground is going to be expensive and require lighting. Hence from a double entry book-keeping view of the future (or the high tech past) we would expect them to put the tunnels underground close to the big buildings and above ground away from there.

One ought to be able to find some tunnels around the larger structures with infra-red pictures via satelite.

 

[kitakaze]

Yet there is no reason why we ought not believe in an ancient outpost in the first place so no reason to put the evidence bar up to such high levels.

You have no reason not to believe Infiltrators (Bigfoot) were employed on Mars. I have provided the evidence. We don't need someone like Correa with his geologist bias and his ridiculously high bar for evidence. You should adopt the far superior alien/Bigfoot stance. What reason do you have not to come over to my team?

 

[GMB]

Right. Very good. Onward.

Now about the other stuff. I'm serious. If we cannot find some underground versions of these tunnels close to the big structures then thats a serious blow to artificiality for the reasons that Corea points out. But if we can thats a massive blow in favour of artificiality.

 

[kitakaze]

Right. Very good. Onward.

Now about the other stuff. I'm serious. If we cannot find some underground versions of these tunnels close to the big structures then thats a serious blow to artificiality for the reasons that Corea points out. But if we can thats a massive blow in favour of artificiality.

Oh, I think Correa is right about the geologic features he pointed out. Mars was pretty devastated by the conflict that happened there. But, some of the gear that you refer to may have been some of the weaponry and armor that remains from the Bigfeet. I think I saw a crossbow in one of those pictures.

 

[GMB]

Right but if the big structures have these same tubes but underground would you believe the artificiality of it then? Because if there wasn't these underground tunnels in the high traffic areas I'd certainly feel like I had egg on my face. But if there were surely that would be one coincidence too much right?

Its just implausible that they would have made a profit running all these tubular roads out in the middle of nowhere and not have underground ones in the industrial centre. Thats unthinkable. So if the underground roads aren't there in Cydonia then thats a mighty blow to my estimate. But if they have these tunnels underground thats a stunning vindication right?

 

[kitakaze]

Right but if the big structures have these same tubes but underground would you believe the artificiality of it then? Because if there wasn't these underground tunnels in the high traffic areas I'd certainly feel like I had egg on my face. But if there were surely that would be one coincidence too much right?

Its just implausible that they would have made a profit running all these tubular roads out in the middle of nowhere and not have underground ones in the industrial centre. Thats unthinkable. So if the underground roads aren't there in Cydonia then thats a mighty blow to my estimate. But if they have these tunnels underground thats a stunning vindication right?

Where are these high traffic areas you speak of? There are no artificial structures in the Cydonia area. Based on the evidence available, any structures that were built during the conflict would have been destroyed by particle weapons. Also, why put uneven banding on tunnels? Any routes of supply that were used by the Infiltrators (Bigfoot) would have been targeted and destroyed in the planetary conflict that occurred there.

 

[Akhenaten]

You haven't seen earlier in the thread. We've got all the pictures there.

I have indeed followed the entire thread. That's how I know that you have a bad attitude and nothing else.

Further, reading the thread indicates to me that "you" don't belong to a "we".

Even further, I've seen all the pictures, but what I was looking for was evidence of Martian civilizations. Apparently there isn't any.


Who would have guessed?

 

[GT/CS]

Why aren't they uniform, like they are on my vacuum cleaner?

A bump for GMB so he can answer the question.

 

[GMB]

Even further, I've seen all the pictures, but what I was looking for was evidence of Martian civilizations.

The pictures are the evidence and obviously so. Attempt to be scientific about this for goodness sakes. Banded covered roads don't just grow out of the ground naturally.

 

[kitakaze]

Why aren't they uniform, like they are on my vacuum cleaner?

Where are these high traffic areas you speak of? There are no artificial structures in the Cydonia area. Based on the evidence available, any structures that were built during the conflict would have been destroyed by particle weapons. Also, why put uneven banding on tunnels? Any routes of supply that were used by the Infiltrators (Bigfoot) would have been targeted and destroyed in the planetary conflict that occurred there.

Also, what do you think is the best image in this thread or anywhere of the tubular banded roads?

 

[GMB]

There are a lot of artificial structures in cydonia. The face being but one example. This would have had to have been a high traffic area and would have had to have been involved in big-time manufacture and indoor agriculture. Or they couldn't have survived. Hence there must be underground tunnells there. And finding that there weren't would be a stinging blow to the concept of artificiality. There are a lot of fine pictures of the tubular banded roads. The roads are of differing size but not THAT differing size. Like our roads are of differing size. Where did Moses say that all roads must be of the same size? Did he pull it from out of a burning bush?

 

[William Parcher]

There are a lot of fine pictures of the tubular banded roads. The roads are of differing size but not THAT differing size. Like our roads are of differing size. Where did Moses say that all roads must be of the same size? Did he pull it from out of a burning bush?

Why do these have to be tube roads? Why can't they be sewage drain systems? Don't they have to flush away their poopies? Can you provide any evidence that these tube-looking things are not poop chutes?

 

[kitakaze]

There seems to be some confusion with what tubular roads are and what glass worms are. The short answer is that there the same. I think the confusion started here:

This is the first thing I came up with after googling "Mars tubular images":

http://www.ufoarea.com/pictures/marscitymatrix7.jpg

Here is the image in that link:



Correa saw my link and then posted another with a Hoagland link to the tubular road/glass worm image that Alice posted here:

Is this one of the tubular covered roadways GMB is talking about?

Nicknamed the Glass Worm, this feature is about 50m across and many km long. It's been discussed by Phil Plait- http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/glassworm.html - and even has its own appreciation page - http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/PICKOVER/pc/glass-worm.html

And Gumby confirmed in the following post:

Sure thats one of them. Look at those bands. Tubular covered BANDED roads. Its the banded nature of them that gives them away as likely artificial.

Beezlebub you aint in any sort of form today. You are just NOT.

Following Alice's link provides evidence of the tubular road/glass worm image to be a concave feature caused by water once flowing on Mars as I commented here:

Those are not convex tubes, they are concave features of water movement. Infiltrators (Bigfoot) are widely recognized to be superior swimmers. Yes.

After Correa dispelled an idea about lava tubes and spoke of fracture arrays I didn't realize he was speaking of my cracked image and thought he was speaking about the tubular road/glass worm image. So I asked him:

Correa, as a geologist would you say the features are not consistent with water movement?

And he answered:

The "glassworm" or the "tubular roads"?

The "glassworm" is created by a flowing fluid -Martian atmosphere- shifting particulate material. Water and air can create somewhat similar flow features (ripples, dunes) over sand. But those don`t look like what one would expect from water flowing within canyons. Sand and gravel bars (roughly almond-shaped) is what should be formed, and yes, with eolic dunes at their tops. Go to Google Earth and "fly" at a low altitude over places such as the Death Valley, USA canyonland, the Okavango fan, some wadis at the Shara, among other desertic areas, to see what I am trying to describe. Alternatively, small scale wind-driven ripples formed over snow can be seen at street and alleys where wind is channeled (and traffic is absent or very small). Of course, it must be the "dry" snow.

The "tubular roads" imagery, those are fractures. I see no evidence of water flows playing a big role on shaping those featres.

So Correa's last sentence refers to the first tubular roads image I found which had nothing to do with the main tubular road/glass worm image we are looking at.

This is a fracture array:



And this is a concave feature caused by water flow at one time on Mars:

Several examples of which can be seen where Correa referred to them.

 

[GT/CS]

There are a lot of artificial structures in cydonia. The face being but one example. This would have had to have been a high traffic area and would have had to have been involved in big-time manufacture and indoor agriculture. Or they couldn't have survived. Hence there must be underground tunnells there. And finding that there weren't would be a stinging blow to the concept of artificiality. There are a lot of fine pictures of the tubular banded roads. The roads are of differing size but not THAT differing size. Like our roads are of differing size. Where did Moses say that all roads must be of the same size? Did he pull it from out of a burning bush?

As trolls go you are not very good.

The bands are not parallel to each other. Looks like pretty crappy construction to me.