The IDF Now Has A YouTube Channel

[WildCat]

http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

Here's a video of Hamas asshats loading Grad missiles onto a truck Dec. 28, then they get blowed up real good:



Smart move by the IDF IMHO.

 

[Thunder]

Um....ok.

They could be missiles. They could just be pipes for a sewer or irrigation. All I see is long tubes.

whatever.

 

[WildCat]

Um....ok.

They could be missiles. They could just be pipes for a sewer or irrigation. All I see is long tubes.

whatever.

Because Hamas militants are well-known for sewer repairs in the dead of night during air raids.

 

[WildCat]

Make an excuse for this one parky:

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

Here's a video of Hamas asshats loading Grad missiles onto a truck Dec. 28, then they get blowed up real good:



Smart move by the IDF IMHO.

A transparent propaganda channel is a smart move ?

 

[WildCat]

A transparent propaganda channel is a smart move ?

A channel showing them blowing Hamas into itty bitty pieces is a smart move. It counters the claims made by some that Israel is being reckless with their targeting.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

A channel showing them blowing Hamas into itty bitty pieces is a smart move. It counters the claims made by some that Israel is being reckless with their targeting.

No it doesn't counter it at all. It's absurd to even suggest that. They are not going to put all their attacks on the channel are they?

It's a dumb move. No one except Israel apologists are going to believe this channel is fair and balanced. The idea is a joke.

 

[yodaluver28]

No it doesn't counter it at all. It's absurd to even suggest that. They are not going to put all their attacks on the channel are they?

It's a dumb move. No one except Israel apologists are going to believe this channel is fair and balanced. The idea is a joke.

And no one but terrorist apologists and/or rabid anti-semites will automatically assume that it's propaganda without even looking at it or knowing anything about the history of warfare and how careful, both historically and relatively, the Israelis are actually being in their attempt to stop Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization that has killed hundreds if not over a thousand of Israelis in the last twenty years, from continuing to attack their people. But since many Israelis are Jews, I guess they're just supposed to sit there and let themselves be slaughtered from all sides. Right?

 

[WildCat]

Here's one from 2007 showing terrorists firing mortars from a school, using the school as a shield.



Is this "transparent propaganda" TFT? parky, maybe those were just fireworks they were firing?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

And no one but terrorist apologists and/or rabid anti-semites will automatically assume that it's propaganda without even looking at it or knowing anything about the history of warfare and how careful, both historically and relatively, the Israelis are actually being in their attempt to stop Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization that has killed hundreds if not over a thousand of Israelis in the last twenty years, from continuing to attack their people.

You said all that rant in one breath. Wow! Passionate at laest

I'm spoiled for choice as what to debunk first.

And no one but terrorist apologists and/or rabid anti-semites will automatically assume that it's propaganda without even looking at it

That's nonsense.

Any rational person would say that one side is going to make itself look as favorable as possible before even viewing it.

"without even looking at it " - but a youtube link is not difficult to access. i've seen no evidence of terrorist apologists and/or rabid anti-semites assuming it's propaganda in this thread anyway.

It was certainly pretty biased when I looked at the article. highly predictable

I would also strongly argue against any reasoning that Israel cares about killing Palestinian civilians. It's whole creation was done with any regard for the Palestian people. It's persecuted them for 60 years. one thing is for sure, Israel doesn't care about the Palestinians.

I do observe however that many ordinary Israeli's don't share the view of those running their country and are horrified at the way the Palestinians are treated.

This one is particularly nasty. Families had gone to hide in teh mosque for safety hoping at least the attackers would refrain from targetting a mosque..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVr7MBhgj0

But since many Israelis are Jews, I guess they're just supposed to sit there and let themselves be slaughtered from all sides. Right?

Let themselves be slaughtered from all sides?

Extreme hyperbole.

 

[WildCat]

This one is particularly nasty. Families had gone to hide in teh mosque for safety hoping at least the attackers would refrain from targetting a mosque..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVr7MBhgj0

Must be all those refugees creating that big honking secondary explosion!

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Here's one from 2007 showing terrorists firing mortars from a school, using the school as a shield.



Is this "transparent propaganda" TFT? parky, maybe those were just fireworks they were firing?

Well the transparent propaganda is that the school was already evacuated, it was an empty building, these mortars were also being fired at night.

So how are they using children as a cover?

And I've also found this UN school on google maps ... it's at Beyt Hanun

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.54077,34.539696&spn=0.007626,0.012574&t=h&z=17

And you can see those mortars are being fired in a North Westerly direction. Which is not in the direction of Israeli territory.

Thus exposing the lies of the IDF, and the gullibility of those who believe they would never resort to propaganda and lies.

 

[Stout]

It's a dumb move. No one except Israel apologists are going to believe this channel is fair and balanced. The idea is a joke.

I wondering whether anything I read on this Israel vs Gaza could be considered fair and balanced.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Must be all those refugees creating that big honking secondary explosion!

Gimme a break. I've just proved your other video 'mortars' from the school was both hyped up and a lie.

Secondary explosion. So there's no way they the IDF could have fired at hte mosque more than once.

Stop being in denial the Youtube channel is a highly biased attempt to broadcast propaganda.

 

[WildCat]

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.54077,34.539696&spn=0.007626,0.012574&t=h&z=17

And you can see those mortars are being fired in a North Westerly direction. Which is not in the direction of Israeli territory.

Thus exposing the lies of the IDF, and the gullibility of those who believe they would never resort to propaganda and lies.

Wow, the lies just flow effortlessly off your keypad, don't they? The mortars are being fired in a northeast direction. I've circled the spot where the mortars were fired from, north is at the top of the screen in this view. The Israel border is only about 1700 meters away in the direction they're firing.

And here's the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs description:

On Monday, October 29th, at approximately 9 am, a cell of terrorists fired three mortar bombs at Israeli territory. The bombs were launched from the courtyard of an elementary school for boys in Beit Hanoun, in northern Gaza.
The use of an elementary school as a shield for terrorist activity is a blatant violation of international humanitarian law, which absolutely prohibits the location of military facilities – which in times of conflict become legitimate military targets – in the vicinity of the civilian population. Additionally, humanitarian law (Article 51 (7) of Protocol 1) prohibits belligerents from using civilians to shield military objectives or operations from attack.

Now, let's examine another of Tin Foil Timothy's lies:

Well the transparent propaganda is that the school was already evacuated, it was an empty building, these mortars were also being fired at night.

No evidence at all the school was evacuated. And it was not at night, but 9AM on a Monday morning, when children are in school.

Anything else you'd like to lie about Tin Foil Timothy?

 

[WildCat]

Gimme a break. I've just proved your other video 'mortars' from the school was both hyped up and a lie.

Well, you proved YOU were lying.

Secondary explosion. So there's no way they the IDF could have fired at hte mosque more than once.

Could have fired more than once, but they didn't. Note the 2nd secondary explosion is far more powerful than the initial Israeli bomb blast.

Stop being in denial the Youtube channel is a highly biased attempt to broadcast propaganda.

And I see it has you so worried that you are willing to lie about what it shows.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Wow, the lies just flow effortlessly off your keypad, don't they? The mortars are being fired in a northeast direction. I've circled the spot where the mortars were fired from, north is at the top of the screen in this view. The Israel border is only about 1700 meters away in the direction they're firing.

Stop lying..


To be more accurate the mortars are being fired northwesterly direction, almost but not quite parrallel to the school building, not northeast. The israeli border is 1700m at it's closet point, which is northeast. The direction those mortars travelling at they would eventually reach Israel border, but much closer to the sea.

[qimg]http://home.mindspring.com/~dylanaverysucksballs/mortars.jpg[/qimg]

And here's the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs description:


Now, let's examine another of Tin Foil Timothy's lies:

No evidence at all the school was evacuated. And it was not at night, but 9AM on a Monday morning, when children are in school.

Anything else you'd like to lie about Tin Foil Timothy?

I'm not lying at all ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7087002.stm


"Unrwa commissioner-general Karen Koning AbuZayd said the school had been evacuated earlier in the day because of an Israeli military incursion nearby. "

and it's an infrared video, which is normally used at night.

 

[WildCat]

Stop lying..


To be more accurate the mortars are being fired northwesterly direction, almost but not quite parrallel to the school building, not northeast. The israeli border is 1700m at it's closet point, which is northeast. The direction those mortars travelling at they would eventually reach Israel border, but much closer to the sea.



I'm not lying at all ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7087002.stm


"Unrwa commissioner-general Karen Koning AbuZayd said the school had been evacuated earlier in the day because of an Israeli military incursion nearby. "

and it's an infrared video, which is normally used at night.

Doesn't matter if the school was evacuated, it's still a big no-no to use it as a fighting position.

Do you admit the mortars were being fired northeast directly at Israel? Or will you continue to lie about it?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Doesn't matter if the school was evacuated, it's still a big no-no to use it as a fighting position.

What a pathetic back track. One minute it's a big thing that it was the time of day when the kids would be in the school. A big proof that TFT is lying!!

But now I've proved your accusations of lies are nonsense, all of a sudden it's no big deal that the school was evacuated.

Pathetic.

Do you admit the mortars were being fired northeast directly at Israel? Or will you continue to lie about it?

I can see where the mortars are heading. North by north west. no need to lie. The video shows it.

And talking of interrogations .... from the same article ...

"We've complained frequently to both sides - to the Israelis when the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) comes in and use our schools for interrogating people, and also to the Palestinians whenever anybody also violates our installations," she added.

No mention by the IDF that they are violating the 'rules' also huh?

And in fact it was the Israelis that were putting the school at risk not the Palestinians. The school was evacuated because of the IDF incursion.


Unrwa commissioner-general Karen Koning AbuZayd said the school had been evacuated earlier in the day because of an Israeli military incursion nearby.

Get it? "Israel Incursion"

 

[WildCat]

What a pathetic back track. One minute it's a big thing that it was the time of day when the kids would be in the school. A big proof that TFT is lying!!

But now I've proved your accusations of lies are nonsense, all of a sudden it's no big deal that the school was evacuated.

Pathetic.

I never said you lied about the school being evacuated, I only said you had shown no evidence of that, which you didn't until later.

The lies are that the mortars were being fired in a northwest direction, which apparently you continue to do.

I can see where the mortars are heading. North by north west. no need to lie. The video shows it.

The video shows quite clearly the mortars are being fired to the northeast, directly perpendicular to the building the launcher is next to.

And talking of interrogations .... from the same article ...

"We've complained frequently to both sides - to the Israelis when the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) comes in and use our schools for interrogating people, and also to the Palestinians whenever anybody also violates our installations," she added.

No mention by the IDF that they are violating the 'rules' also huh?

Off topic here, why don't you start a thread about it?

And in fact it was the Israelis that were putting the school at risk not the Palestinians. The school was evacuated because of the IDF incursion.


Unrwa commissioner-general Karen Koning AbuZayd said the school had been evacuated earlier in the day because of an Israeli military incursion nearby.

Get it? "Israel Incursion"

Which proves what, exactly? Israel has the right to defend itself.