What will be the result of the Israeli attacks on Gaza?

What will the Israeli strikes on Gaza accomplish?

  • Hamas will not stop the rockets and will begin suicide attacks in Israel.

    Votes: 20 46.5%

  • Hamas will stop the rockets but launch suicide attacks in Israel.

    Votes: 5 11.6%

  • Hamas will continue the rocket attacks.

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • Hamas will stop the rocket attacks and seek a cease-fire.

    Votes: 5 11.6%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
portlandatheist said:
IMHO, the "ceasefire" was broken with the rocket attacks against Israel, but that's just me.
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{sarcasm on}

Naaaaa. 60 rockets in one day is not breaking the ceasefire portlandatheist. ;)

Twenty-four homemade rockets and a mortar shell were fired into Israel from Gaza on Wednesday, causing shrapnel wounds to three shoppers near a supermarket.

The attacks came as a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that has existed in name only since early November was set to expire on Friday.

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Naaaaaaaaaaa... 24 rockets isn't breaking the ceasefire either. :hb:


Palestinian militants have fired rockets into Israel, hours after an unexpected ceasefire was called between the two sides.

The ceasefire came into effect at 0600 (0400 GMT) after the Palestinian Authority said groups would end attacks and Israel agreed to halt hostilities.

Hamas' armed wing said it launched the attacks because some Israeli troops were still in Gaza, east of the town of Jabaliya, despite the Israelis saying they had pulled out all their troops overnight.

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Nope. No broken ceasefire either. :bwall


During the year 2006 alone, 1000+ rockets were launched. As of May 2008, over 3,000 rockets had been launched[3]

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I notice that there was not much outrage when Hamas launched rockets into Israel.
When the Euros talk about how the US should be more even handed in the Arab Israeli conflict, my answer is "We Will If You Will".
BTW it really does not matter if creating Israel was a good idea or not. You have Five Million Jews there, and that little fact is not going away, and sort of makes going back to 1948 impossible, unless a little genocide is applied.
 
Pardalis said:
I may be wrong, but I think what DDL is arguing is that Israel has to negociate ceasefires with two different political entities now... :boggled:
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ddt is the name.

I was arguing that the case portlandatheist showed was not a case where Hamas itself lobbed the rockets, but Fatah did. To continue with the analogies here about Mexico and the US: it's as if a Mexican druglord would lob a rocket over the Rio Grande. Would the US also see that as a breach of the peace between the two countries?
 
parky76 said:
Israel was supposed to allow all neccessary food, water, and supplies into Gaza. They failed to do this. So in their own way, they also broke the cease-fire.

Denying food, water, and supplies is a passive act of violence.
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If you treat people like rabid dogs you shouldn't be suprised when they turn into rabid dogs.
 
korenyx said:
If you treat people like rabid dogs you shouldn't be suprised when they turn into rabid dogs.
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I think of it more as whacking on a beehive and then acting surprised when you get attacked by the bees.
 
How come I never see posts started by ddt and co. when Hamas fires rockets at Israel when ceasefire is in action?
Posts only appear when Israel retaliates.
 
yairhol said:
How come I never see posts started by ddt and co. when Hamas fires rockets at Israel when ceasefire is in action?
Posts only appear when Israel retaliates.
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What about a deal? You accomplish there will be a ceasefire again. Then I will maintain a thread here and document in it every infraction of the ceasefire - Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Israel, Martians, whoever.
 
ddt said:
What about a deal? You accomplish there will be a ceasefire again. Then I will maintain a thread here and document in it every infraction of the ceasefire - Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Israel, Martians, whoever.
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Freakin' Martians, can't they get involved in their own darned dispute? Do they have to crowd into one that's already full of attitude cases? :boggled:

DR
 
Even if they get the majority of Hamas targets they will just probably step up suicide attacks for years until they can rebuild. What are the chances Hamas will be voted out of power? I gotta think the average Gazan now sees that electing them was a poor choice.
 
Policenaut said:
Even if they get the majority of Hamas targets they will just probably step up suicide attacks for years until they can rebuild. What are the chances Hamas will be voted out of power? I gotta think the average Gazan now sees that electing them was a poor choice.
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Or, the average Gazan sees it as


Hamas was right, those effing Israelis are bombing us again.​

@ parky:

I finally voted, and given the poor choices, all I could come up with is "Hamas will keep on doing rocket attacks" since I am unsure how good they are at the moment in recruiting suicide bombers.

DR
 
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ddt said:
To continue with the analogies here about Mexico and the US: it's as if a Mexican druglord would lob a rocket over the Rio Grande. Would the US also see that as a breach of the peace between the two countries?
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If the Mexicans harbored said druglord and provided material aid and comfort, then yes.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Or, the average Gazan sees it as


Hamas was right, those effing Israelis are bombing us again.​

DR
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Probably but that would be very dumb considering that Hamas is the reason why Gaza is being bombed. Then again the whole situation is very dumb.
 
Enough is enough. Ideally both sides could see the error in their ways and realize there is no god and say oops, sorry for the last 3000 years of insanity. But that's not going to happen.

Another idea is we could use the area as a nuclear waste dump so the whole area will be uninhabitable for the next 100,000 years until both sides forget about the dispute.

But I'd say let Israel completely wipe out Hamas. They are fundamentally incapable of honoring a cease fire. The bright side is Hamas can win the Darwin Award in 2009.
 
ravdin said:
If the Mexicans harbored said druglord and provided material aid and comfort, then yes.
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Thanks, I was waiting for that reaction. :D

You may note that in the same newspaper article, a Hamas spokesperson criticized the perpetrator of the rocket attack:
"It has become clear that some Palestinian parties do not want this calm deal to succeed and they do not want the siege to be lifted," Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas spokesman, said
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I note also that on 18 September, the UN rapporteur said in the UNSC:
The one area where there is positive news is security. The ceasefire has continued to hold during the reporting period. Hamas has made efforts to prevent the launching of rockets and mortars into Israel and, during the reporting period, two rockets and one mortar were launched.
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So, to continue the analogy with Mexico: that would be that Mexico tried to catch said druglord, but they don't yet get him and he manages to launch two rockets.

I'm not saying this is the picture for the whole period of the ceasefire. Hamas certainly has broken it on a couple of occasions. But the newspaper article presented is no such case.
 
What will the Israeli strikes on Gaza accomplish?

Millions of pages of debate on the internet, that's what!
 
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