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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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angelsaramark said:
The key is that Hieronymus walks just like that so-called bigfoot. Both have and identifiable and strange gait. I saw Hieronymus walking on a documentary. It's so obvious that it can't be mistaken.
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Has anyone posted this yet?

 
Oh well. Can't seem to make it work on this site the way I would like it to.:boggled:

http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/...rrent=TheLeagueofExtraordinaryGentlemenMr.flv

SWEATY -Try the above link for some cool hand extentions. Yes, they did have them in Patty's day. Though they certainly were not needed to do what I'm doing in the other vid wearing only gloves like Bob H. It does give you an idea of what guys like Chambers, Wah and others were capable of. So the whole idea of hand movement makes it "impossible" to be a suit has to go.
 

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kitakaze said:
Sweaty, just curious as to why you drew the line there leaving the majority of Patty's elbow outside the line. Isn't that just a slight bit of fudging?
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No, it's not 'fudging' at all.
I drew the outline of the arm straight because Patty's arm is hanging straight down at her side.


In this unstabilized animated-gif...you can see that that spot you're refering to (as part of Patty's elbow) is just some of the dark background blending with her arm...

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SweatyYeti said:
Dfoot....your Patty sculptures are a joke. :)
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Sweaty, we butt heads a lot in debate but I have to say that was very uncool. That was very mean-spirited. We're debating the PGF, not scripture and gay marriage. That kind of mudslinging just stinks. Dfoot used to be a proponent of Bigfoot. He's been looking into the PGF for a long time and he started out on your side. The work he does, the expense, the time, the effort he has put in to the question of the PGF is very commendable no matter what you think Patty is. Calling his efforts a joke and trying to diminish them by referring to them as sculpture is just bitter and pathetic. I remember when we thought you were a teenager. I know now you are not but that kind of comment is like a petulant kid trying to be snotty. Let's try not to be so personal.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
No, it's not 'fudging' at all.
I drew the outline of the arm straight because Patty's arm is hanging straight down at her side.


In this unstabilized animated-gif...you can see that that spot you're refering to (as part of Patty's elbow) is just some of the dark background blending with her arm...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/PattyWalkingAway1.gif[/qimg]
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I'm pretty sure we're seeing elbow here:

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At least mangler has taught you something, though. Hey, remember when you showed us Patty's thumb? How about you remove the lines on Patty's arm and show us how you chose the placement?
 
Drewbot said:
I have a couple of things to say about Kitakaze's line of questioning.

* It's like Deja Vu all over again.

* Kitikaze's head, meet brick-wall.

* Lather... repeat...

* Dude...

* GT/CS don't you have anything to add to this line of questioning? i.e. wristband?

* He's "working on it" already.
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I wouldn't be having so many dinner dates with brick walls if Sweaty didn't refuse to answer questions. But he does and so the dance continues.
 
kitakaze said:
Sweaty, we butt heads a lot in debate but I have to say that was very uncool. That was very mean-spirited. We're debating the PGF, not scripture and gay marriage. That kind of mudslinging just stinks. Dfoot used to be a proponent of Bigfoot. He's been looking into the PGF for a long time and he started out on your side. The work he does, the expense, the time, the effort he has put in to the question of the PGF is very commendable no matter what you think Patty is. Calling his efforts a joke and trying to diminish them by referring to them as sculpture is just bitter and pathetic. I remember when we thought you were a teenager. I know now you are not but that kind of comment is like a petulant kid trying to be snotty. Let's try not to be so personal.
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I didn't mean that in a personal way....what I meant was that anything can be re-created, or copied, as a sculpture. I emphasized the word 'sculpture' in my earlier statement for a reason. I was trying to make the point that those images posted above are nothing more than static recreations of Patty.
But since Patty is much more than just a 'still picture'......a stationary recreation simply doesn't mean anything in the way of analysis of Patty's apparent muscle movements, and inhuman body proportions.
 
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It's easy enough in these discussions to forget that we are discussing in written form and that people may not receive our words with the nuance we intended. Still, "Your *insert thing you put effort and hard work into here* is a joke," is lower than the level of discussion we should be having. I'm sure Dfoot's work doesn't offend you that much. You, of course me, and the rest of us should keep it in mind we can vigourously disagree without being dicks to eachother.

That aside, the use of "sculpture" is inappropriate I think when you consider much of what Dfoot does is specifically with motion being demonstrated. As he has stated before, when it comes to replicating exactly what we see in the PGF, cost and time is something that prohibits how far Dfoot can go. You can always chip in if you really want to see what he can do.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Comparing Bob and Patty, using small images....note the significant difference in the side profiles, or contours, of their bodies...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/FrameWA4b.jpg[/qimg] [qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/FrameWA4c.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/RightFoot3Smalll.jpg[/qimg]


and Bob...straight as an arrow...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/BobH10small.jpg[/qimg]


The significant, and inescapable, difference between Bob and Patty....that a padded suit cannot be responsible for....is the horizontal distance, or gap, between the inside of their arms and their feet (when their arms are held straight against their sides).
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The "significant and inescapable" difference is Bob out of the suit has his hands in his pockets, while Bob in the suit has his arms hanging by his side. Of course there is more space in one photo than the other, just like there would be if you, or I, or pretty much anyone else did the same thing. Seriously, you do know saying Bob's arms are "straight as an arrow" doesn't make it so, don't you, especially when everyone can see that they aren't? That's the kind of nonsense that causes fewer and fewer people to take bigfoot arguments seriously.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Meanwhile......Correa's digging through his pictures of Barney and Baby-Bop......looking for answers. :p
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Sweaty, your comparisons are -once again- deeply flawed and -once again- for the same reasons. Here they are again:
- You ignored perspective effects
- You are comparing images taken by different cameras
- You are ignoring the fact that one of the images (Patty's) is just too blurry for any valid measurements to be taken.
- You are ignoring the fact that even if BH was not wearing the Patty costume, this does not changes anything regarding the implausibility of the "Patty is a real bigfoot" claim.
- You are ignoring the fact that human proportions can be easilly altered by costumes


You know, if I follow your reasonings, the conclusion is that the actor who plays Barney must have very small arms... But this time I will spare you from looking at Barney and seeing how wrong you are. Lets check something else - what about the arms of this actor? He can't be a standard human, can he? All those articulations and the lenght...
fishyfishyfishy.jpg

Yep, your arguments are fishy fishy fishy...

What about comparing the arms of Terry Jones and Mr. Creosote?
07-07-20_Mr_Creosote.jpg


Next time you present an argument, try building something more solid than the usual poor stuff you present. And don't forget to answer those questions at the "reliable evidence" thread...
 
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Correa Neto wrote:
You know, if I follow your reasonings, the conclusion is that the actor who plays Barney must have very small arms
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Can you elaborate on that, Correa......with specifics?


There is nothing specific in any of your statements....just general "it's all meaningless analysis, and Bigfoot just cannot exist".

Thank you for your thoughtful insight, and your very careful analysis, Correa! :boggled:

Anytime you like, feel free to point out any specific errors you see in my outlining, and comparisons.
Actually, Kerry just pointed out (on the Mid-Am. Board) a possible slight error in one of my outlines. I'll be checking that out tonight.

In the meantime...I'm looking forward to seeing more of your meaningless costume pictures!
 
xblade wrote:

Of course there is more space in one photo than the other
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The problem for Bob is that the larger space, or gap, is in the image of Patty....not the image of 'Bob with his hands in his pockets'.

A heavily padded suit should have decreased that lateral gap...not increased it.

Perhaps you're having trouble accepting this reality.


More importantly, though, your post didn't address this...

The significant, and inescapable, difference between Bob and Patty....that a padded suit cannot be responsible for....is the horizontal distance, or gap, between the inside of their arms and the outer edges of their feet (when their arms are held straight against their sides).
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SweatyYeti said:
Anytime you like, feel free to point out any specific errors you see in my outlining, and comparisons.
Actually, Kerry just pointed out (on the Mid-Am. Board) a possible slight error in one of my outlines. I'll be checking that out tonight.

In the meantime...I'm looking forward to seeing more of your meaningless costume pictures!
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Anytime you like, among other things I would like you to address the error I pointed out with your mispacment of outlines.

Here is the post by DTK/Luminous/Kerry you referred to:

http://www.mid-americabigfoot.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=27232#p27232
 
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