The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[SweatyYeti]

GT/CS wrote:

Sweaty, how about you put on a heavily padded bigfoot suit and see if you can walk with your arms close to your body?

Be sure to get back to us with the results.

You got it backwards, GT.

The difficult thing to do is to put on a heavily-padded suit, and then have the inside of your arms further away from your body....not closer.


Tell you what......you put on a heavily-padded suit, and see if you can make your arms appear to be several inches further apart (measured from the inside of one arm to the inside of the other arm), while also appearing to hang straight down, at the same time.

Be sure to get back to us with the results. In the meantime, I'll be laughing at all you "Bob Bleevers".



Note: Nobody will ever be able to accomplish this feat.

 

[kitakaze]

Tell you what......you put on a heavily-padded suit, (snip)

I've got a better idea, Sweaty. I'm going to spot you big. You got it, BH is full of it. Patty is indeed an actual Bigfoot. Despite all the glaring indicators of hoax with Patterson and Gimlin they actually broke the odds and got a legitimate film of a Bigfoot. On top of that, I'll give you Joyce too. Joyce actually did see a real Bigfoot at the corner of Rt 203 and State Farm Road in Valatie, New York. Bigfoot is in California and New York, it's intense. Bigfoot coast to coast. Wow. Woops, almost forgot the Memorial Day footage. Diminutive Bigfoot runs in front of 100 or so campers with infant atop shoulders. We can believe it. Yes we can.

Their is indeed huge bipedal nonhuman primates ranging across the entire North American continent and beyond. They live, eat, poop, hump, sleep, and die and nary a type specimen to be found. How does this occur? Is there precedent for this? You know, I think I like my infiltratorfoot better. Your Bigfoot is just nutty. Like, slap your forehead WTF nutty. So explain this to me, Sweaty. Follow your own logic and arguments to conclusion and try and makes this make sense for us. Me and my infiltratorfoot that you helped create look forward to this.

 

[jhunter1163]

I grew up in eastern Washington and spent many a day wandering the back woods and Forest Service roads out there. Washington is an enormous place, and there's certainly room there for Bigfoot. I have a soft spot for the big guy; tales of Sasquatch were commonplace during my childhood.

However, as I grew older and got more skeptical, I took another look at the evidence for Bigfoot and found it wanting. This was sad for me, a part of my childhood dying, if you will; but the facts are the facts. The best I can do nowadays is say that Bigfoot isn't excluded, but there's no compelling evidence that he exists.

Sorry about that.

 

[GT/CS]

I grew up in eastern Washington and spent many a day wandering the back woods and Forest Service roads out there. Washington is an enormous place, and there's certainly room there for Bigfoot. I have a soft spot for the big guy; tales of Sasquatch were commonplace during my childhood.

However, as I grew older and got more skeptical, I took another look at the evidence for Bigfoot and found it wanting. This was sad for me, a part of my childhood dying, if you will; but the facts are the facts. The best I can do nowadays is say that Bigfoot isn't excluded, but there's no compelling evidence that he exists.

Sorry about that.

Wow, I just read about my own life, freaking word for word. That's creepy!

I may now believe in some mystical force that created such duality.

 

[GT/CS]

Here you go, Sweaty.

 

[William Parcher]

 

[SweatyYeti]

First....in this image, the subject's arms are out at an angle, away from the body...and the subject's legs are bent at an angle...

Secondly....in this image the subject's arms are out at an angle, away from the body...

BUT...in these images, the subject's arms are straight down, very close to the body...

In the 2nd image of Patty....the distinction between the right arm and the body is very clear, due to shadowing. Her right arm is in the forward part of it's swing, and is shaded by her body.

This detail will come in handy, later.


In the meantime, boys....keep trying to rescue Bob from the bottom of the Deep Blue Sea!

 

[SweatyYeti]

Comparing Bob and Patty, using small images....note the significant difference in the side profiles, or contours, of their bodies...

and Bob...straight as an arrow...

The significant, and inescapable, difference between Bob and Patty....that a padded suit cannot be responsible for....is the horizontal distance, or gap, between the inside of their arms and their feet (when their arms are held straight against their sides).

 

[jhunter1163]

Wow, I just read about my own life, freaking word for word. That's creepy!

I may now believe in some mystical force that created such duality.

What part of Washington are you from? And were there lots of Sasquatch there?

 

[SweatyYeti]

I've got a better idea, Sweaty. I'm going to spot you big. You got it, BH is full of it. Patty is indeed an actual Bigfoot. Despite all the glaring indicators of hoax with Patterson and Gimlin they actually broke the odds and got a legitimate film of a Bigfoot. On top of that, I'll give you Joyce too. Joyce actually did see a real Bigfoot at the corner of Rt 203 and State Farm Road in Valatie, New York. Bigfoot is in California and New York, it's intense. Bigfoot coast to coast. Wow. Woops, almost forgot the Memorial Day footage. Diminutive Bigfoot runs in front of 100 or so campers with infant atop shoulders. We can believe it. Yes we can.

Their is indeed huge bipedal nonhuman primates ranging across the entire North American continent and beyond. They live, eat, poop, hump, sleep, and die and nary a type specimen to be found. How does this occur? Is there precedent for this? You know, I think I like my infiltratorfoot better. Your Bigfoot is just nutty. Like, slap your forehead WTF nutty. So explain this to me, Sweaty. Follow your own logic and arguments to conclusion and try and makes this make sense for us. Me and my infiltratorfoot that you helped create look forward to this.

To quote an old tried and true saying...

"Truth is stranger than fiction".

I look at it this way....could a small population of intelligent, human-like animals play "hide-and-go-seek" with us humans in the wilds of America, and stay uncaptured for many years??
I think it's possible....and based on the evidence, I think it's extremely likely.

As for a Bigfoot appearing in Valatie, NY....that doesn't mean a population of Bigfoot actually lives in that specific area. Bigfoot have all kinds of free time on their hands...and people have walked on the Appalachian Trail all the way from Maine to Georgia. Why couldn't a Bigfoot walk from the Adirondacks down to the town of Valatie?

 

[William Parcher]

...keep trying to rescue Bob from the bottom of the Deep Blue Sea!

Here comes the lifeboat for Bob as Patty...

 

[SweatyYeti]

It's fun watching "skeptics" trying to revive a dead horse.


There's a problem with your comparison William. Check out how Bob's lower leg grows significantly longer in the "properly scaled" images...

(For fun....hold your mouse cursor over either one of the lower lines)

There are more problems with the comparison....Bob's head is too high..it simply wouldn't fit into the very top of Patty's pointed head. Also, Bob is 6 feet tall, while Patty is estimated at approx. 6'5".

Oh, also.....there's this thing about the extreme body/shoulder width of Patty, which nobody will ever be able to make Bob fit into.

 

[GT/CS]

Comparing Bob and Patty, using small images....note the significant difference in the side profiles, or contours, of their bodies...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/FrameWA4b.jpg[/qimg] [qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/FrameWA4c.jpg[/qimg][qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/RightFoot3Smalll.jpg[/qimg]


and Bob...straight as an arrow...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/BobH10small.jpg[/qimg]


The significant, and inescapable, difference between Bob and Patty....that a padded suit cannot be responsible for....is the horizontal distance, or gap, between the inside of their arms and their feet (when their arms are held straight against their sides).

How in the world did you invent this nonsense out of those pictures?!!!

Do you know someone you can show your research to before you post it? You may seriously want to consider doing so.

 

[SweatyYeti]

GT/CS wrote:

Do you know someone you can show your research to before you post it?

I figured the Official Home of "Critical Thinking" would be the place to post my analysis, in order to get some good, critical-thinking counter-analysis to it.

Instead, all I've gotten is goo-goo gaa-gaa "analysis" like this....a flippin' piece of garbage:

How in the world did you invent this nonsense out of those pictures?!!!

How in the world could anybody get anything out of that useless, improperly scaled animated-gif, just above?

 

[kitakaze]

Comparing Bob and Patty, using small images....note the significant difference in the side profiles, or contours, of their bodies...

Sweaty, just curious as to why you drew the line there leaving the majority of Patty's elbow outside the line. Isn't that just a slight bit of fudging?

 

[kitakaze]

To quote an old tried and true saying...

"Truth is stranger than fiction".

I look at it this way....could a small population of intelligent, human-like animals play "hide-and-go-seek" with us humans in the wilds of America, and stay uncaptured for many years??
I think it's possible....and based on the evidence, I think it's extremely likely.

As for a Bigfoot appearing in Valatie, NY....that doesn't mean a population of Bigfoot actually lives in that specific area. Bigfoot have all kinds of free time on their hands...and people have walked on the Appalachian Trail all the way from Maine to Georgia. Why couldn't a Bigfoot walk from the Adirondacks down to the town of Valatie?

1) How do you know they are intelligent? More intelligent than apes, say.

2) What is the evidence that allows you to say it is extremely likely? It is not a film of questionable circumstances without original or a conversation with a woman on the telephone.

3) What is this free time you speak of? You are proposing Bigfoot as a regular animal. It must procure sustenance, find shelter, locate and attract a mate, deal with predators, illness, and other threats and do all the other things that normal animals must do without ever a single specimen being acquired by us. Bigfoot has to deal with winters, getting enough food, and reproducing without getting caught by us? Why can't any other animal do this? What's the deal?

4) Why can't a Bigfoot walk from the Adirondacks down to the town of Valatie? It can. Can a species of giant mammal consistently approach human habitation across a continent in modern times and not have a specimen known to us? No way, Jose. Also, do you have any clue how extensive hunting activity is in the Adirondacks?

 

[kitakaze]

It's fun watching "skeptics" trying to revive a dead horse.


There's a problem with your comparison William. Check out how Bob's lower leg grows significantly longer in the "properly scaled" images...

It appears to my eyes anyway that Patty's leg is at an angle more towards the camera point. Would this not account for an apparent difference in length?

There are more problems with the comparison....Bob's head is too high..it simply wouldn't fit into the very top of Patty's pointed head. Also, Bob is 6 feet tall, while Patty is estimated at approx. 6'5".

What is your source for 6'5"?

Oh, also.....there's this thing about the extreme body/shoulder width of Patty, which nobody will ever be able to make Bob fit into.

He seems to be fitting fine in that picture.

 

[Drewbot]

*It appears to my eyes anyway that Patty's leg is at an angle more towards the camera point. Would this not account for an apparent difference in length?
* What is your source for 6'5"?
* He seems to be fitting fine in that picture.

I have a couple of things to say about Kitakaze's line of questioning.

* It's like Deja Vu all over again.

* Kitikaze's head, meet brick-wall.

* Lather... repeat...

* Dude...

* GT/CS don't you have anything to add to this line of questioning? i.e. wristband?

* He's "working on it" already.

 

[Dfoot]

An 'A'? - I'll take it!

Here you go...

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/handmove1ag.gif


The fingers don't look empty...the joint at the end of the finger can be seen bending.


Contrary to popular opinion, Dfoot's "magical Gorilla glove" does not replicate the finger-movement we see with Patty, the joint at the end of the forefinger doesn't bend at all....

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/DfootHand1.gif



Dfoot deserves an "A" for effort....but he has yet to replicate any of the movements that we see on Patty.

http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/Dfoot/?action=view&current=handInvertSequence01.flv

Thanks SWEATY. I take that as the highest compliment.

But the type of glove (connected to the suit) that Heironimus has his hand in actually tends to bend on its own. The wearer has to help force the fingers straight. The bend you see happening occurs when you simply relax your hand.

Though Patty has a different style of hand - with longer fingers - I thought I'd show you the same glove I had on before but turned around with the little finger facing the camera. And since the other one was so dark I INVERTED the image and slowed it down so you could look at it easier.

You are showing just a couple of frames of the hand as Bob H. tenses and relaxes. That's all. This is a long sequence I'm showing you so you can see how easy it is to move your fingers if you want to in the gloves.

The first couple of seconds of this video is probably close enough to those few frames for you to get the idea.

 

[WildCat]

Might that be because the arms on the suit are a bit longer? Just a thought.

Impossible! No one could make a suit with long arms!