Does a guy need the woman to be aroused to rape her? I assume you are being facetious since rape is a violent act and unless you are talking statutory rape, which we are not, women do not have climaxes when raped.
I'm trying to highlight your double-standard, and also here your claim that women don't have climaxes. Female rape victims
do sometimes experience physical arousal--engorgement of the sex organs, or nipples, lubrication, or yes, even orgasm. This of course doesn't mean they weren't raped--but it also doesn't mean a male who had an erection during a rape (by male or female attacker) wasn't raped.
Here are random links to a victim anecdote, and a counselling guidelines; as these are situations dealing with victims one-on-one I'd think they'd count as a bit of evidence, unless they're lying. These types of themes (orgasm or erection reaction to rape) are common if you care to look for it:
http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/surviving-rape-overcoming-guilt.html
When I was 18 I dated a man who was very abusive. At the end of our relationship he violently raped me in my living room. We had been together for more than a year, and he knew "the right moves," so I had an orgasm. I have the worst case of guilt over that fact, so much so that I haven't been able to have more than a dozen orgasms since.
[counseler's response:]
Please be gentle and stop making yourself feel bad about having had an unexpected orgasm that evening. Many women who have been raped report that, they, too, experienced an orgasm against their will. So is that, then, "proof" that they enjoyed it? Absolutely not! And even though it seems that their body betrayed their emotions, many women still feel guilt and shame over this occurrence, just as you have. Your body experienced a physiological reaction in response to the physical stimulation it received, yet this in no way means that you were unconsciously desiring or enjoying this vicious assault.
http://www.uwstout.edu/cvpp/male_page.html
Myth: Getting an erection or ejaculation during sexual assault means "you really wanted it" or you consented.
Fact: Getting an erection shows nothing other than your body responds the way it is suppose to. It has nothing to do with desire. If you were penetrated, the pressure from the prostate gland would cause an erection. Ejaculation is also very normal and some rapist will go out of their way to make sure you ejaculate, to try and make you feel ashamed, (adds to their dominate feeling of power) and they know it will likely reduce your chances of reporting the crime.
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According to Groth, some assailants may try to get their victim to ejaculate because for the rapist, it symbolizes their complete sexual control over their victim's body. Since ejaculation is not always within conscious control but rather an involuntary physiological reaction, rapists frequently succeed at getting their male victims to ejaculate. As Groth and Burgess have found in their research, this aspect of the attack is extremely stressful and confusing to the victim. In misidentifying ejaculation with orgasm, the victim may be bewildered by his physiological response during the sexual assault and, therefore, may be discouraged from reporting the assault for fear his sexuality may become suspect (Groth & Burgess, 1980).
I also vaguely recall several years ago (maybe 10-15) a small controversy as to whether defense lawyers in a specific case, or maybe in general, could argue that--since a female got "wet" during a rape (or orgasmed) it was consentual. Of course the answer is no, it doesn't mean this. But the same applies to males for their response, either of emissions or outright erection. A victim's physical response to rape is no defense of the rape!
Let me be blunt: How is the woman supposed to get that flaccid thing to go in?
Stimulate it and make it hard. You're overestimating the male mind's control of the organ.
If it's around puberty, it's statutory rape, I've not said that doesn't happen.
If the guy's passed out, I've only said erections are less likely. Passed out or asleep, I've never said that was OK.
Physical assault which includes sexual components, never said it couldn't happen.
We're in agreement on most of this, but I think you're way off-base on the erection thing, and the physical forcing thing.
But physically forcing an unwilling male's penis into the vagina of a female rapist, people here sure seem to be willing to say it happens when no one can produce more than an Internet rumor it actually ever has, that is the act I am skeptical of.
I don't know if it ever has happened, as females raping males is very rare, whether by this method or inserting something. It certainly
can happen though, and certainly has happened in cases where males rape males.
Edited to add the rape here excludes the guy who is asleep or intoxicated. The point is can a woman physically force a man to have an erection and subsequently rape him?
Can they, yes.
Do they, my hunch is that yes, in a few cases, but it's very rare.
I'm not disputing that males are more violent, or rape more, much more than women. Due to both innate factors and social factors. I'm just disputing the idea that females can't rape males (by all methods that males can rape females). One can believe that males are far more likely to rape, but that males can still be victims of rape, without contradicting either belief.
