The History Channel and "Ancient Technologies"

[Foolmewunz]

I second this completely.

All in favor?

Give me half a second (yuk yuk - I slay myself, sometimes)!

Chi is nonsense. Traditional Chinese Medicine contains a lot of woo, but there is a lot based on herbal remedies that is not.

 

[Galaxie]

Yes, yes and yes.

Could add some French to the mix too!

I'll second that! I'd also love to see an episode about the Dutch pilots during the German invasion of the Low Countries.

 

[Toke]

Yes it´s woo

 

[Correa Neto]

Oh, do I think chi and all the acupunture meridian talk are woo?
Hmmmmmm... Let me see.... Hmmmmmmmm....

Yes.

 

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney
did you just call Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese medicine for example, crap?
Yes,total crap

 

[Cuddles]

did you just call Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese medicine for example, crap?

Yes. I take it that was a "yes" to my question then. OK. Perhaps you should have a little read through the rest of this site, you might find it rather enlightening.

 

[George 152]

did you just call Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese medicine for example, crap?

Boy. You don't miss a trick do you..

 

[Ragnarok]

Yes, yes and yes.

Are you saying my powdered tiger's wang is not going to increase my virility immeasurably?

 

[Toke]

Are you saying my powdered tiger's wang is not going to increase my virility immeasurably?

Off course it will, unmeasurably.

 

[DC]

JREF is a nice place to celebrate the closed mind

atleast some seem to be a little more openminded.

Yes i also think Traditional Chinese Medicine contains alot woo.
But Chi seem to be not one of them.

or do you claim that the Shaolin Monks for example are scammers ,use tricks like Copperfield`?


Where are the studies that show that Accupuncture is crap? Studies from 2006 showed it is not pure nonsence, it is also not only the placebo effect etc.

I dont say all that stuff is 100% working, but it is working for very very much people. Some are able to do things that most other people are not able to do. It is claimed to be cause of their control over Chi, i dont know if it is that, but it is a fact thei can do things most people are not able to without having their education into controlling Chi, is it only concentration or is it more?

i dont know, but to just call it all crap is pretty close minded.
thats not what sceptics do, thats what JREFers do

 

[Correa Neto]

Having a closed mind is good.

Avoids the brain being contaminated with woo crap.

 

[DC]

Having a closed mind is good.

Avoids the brain being contaminated with woo crap.

Atleast you see it possitive

 

[Dancing David]

did you just call Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese medicine for example, crap?

Certainly unsupported in areas.

 

[Dancing David]

JREF is a nice place to celebrate the closed mind

atleast some seem to be a little more openminded.

Yes i also think Traditional Chinese Medicine contains alot woo.
But Chi seem to be not one of them.

or do you claim that the Shaolin Monks for example are scammers ,use tricks like Copperfield`?


Where are the studies that show that Accupuncture is crap? Studies from 2006 showed it is not pure nonsence, it is also not only the placebo effect etc.

I dont say all that stuff is 100% working, but it is working for very very much people. Some are able to do things that most other people are not able to do. It is claimed to be cause of their control over Chi, i dont know if it is that, but it is a fact thei can do things most people are not able to without having their education into controlling Chi, is it only concentration or is it more?

i dont know, but to just call it all crap is pretty close minded.
thats not what sceptics do, thats what JREFers do

I notice you do not post your evidence:

So your unsupported data to appeal to emotion ratio (data/emotion) is 0/1, try posting the data and then we can discuss it.

PubMed doesn't look good BTW, so you pick the study, then we look at it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

 

[DC]

http://www.gerac.de

cant find them in english, will post when i found them.

PS: Afaik it works not with brest cancer....... i never claimed it to be the all healing solution.....

 

[Big Al]

OTOH, even if acupuncture isn't total crap (for which I have yet to see much if any evidence), how did anyone ever discover it?

"I suspect that sticking needles in people is a micracle cure."
"OK, I have irritable bowel syndrome. Try it on me."
(Jab) "Ow!"
"Feel better?"
"No, still got bowel cramps, although my psoriasis doesn't itch quite as much as it did."
"All right." (Makes note on pad)
"What about here?"
"No."
"Here?"
"Uh-uh."
"Here."
"Nada."
"Here?"
(Thrppp)"Yeah, that did it. Now I just need clean underwear and trousers."

When you think of all the billions of potential combinations of needle placement, it seems improbable to me (Appeal to Personal Incredulity as that may be) that someone should hit on the right combinations by accident at once - and if they only got the right placements after much, much experimentation, what led them to believe that sticking needles in people was good for them in the first place?

 

[DC]

there are many diffrent things that can be cured with acupuncture.

for example backpain. funny woo that works.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7011738.stm

How did they found out?
How is Novartis finding out how what is working to cure stuff?

But it is best to call woo all the things we dont know nor understand
woooooo

 

[Correa Neto]

No.
I don't understand quantum mechanics and I do not call it woo.
Can you guess why?

 

[DC]

No.
I don't understand quantum mechanics and I do not call it woo.
Can you guess why?

Everyone that claims to have understood quantum mechanics didnt understand it.

 

[Correa Neto]

Nice evasion.

But can you guess why QM, even if not understood, is not considered woo?