The History Channel and "Ancient Technologies"

[Dancing David]

I know what the placebo effect is. Sure i dont know the mechanism behind it. afaik noone really knows yet. But i find it a very interesting effect. You only have to belive you get something that helps you, it may be watter, hit on leather several thousand times and mixed with more wather, and you belive it helps, the chance is there that it indeed will help, while it has actually no effect we know of, it helped.

There is a lot of research into the placebo effect, it is called regression to the mean and healing. DUH.

If some followers of Mao's revolution felt that a page of the lttle red book helped a gun shot wounds, that is like a cheap and effective treatment.


http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7398/1083
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/311/7004/551

There are plenty of artcicles on "placebo regression to the mean"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=placebo+regression+to+the+mean

 

[Dancing David]

OMG

http://www.leecrandallparkmd.net/researchpages/placebo1.html

A study from 1964, how positively archaic!

Try here duder:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

You will find 45,000 references to placebo.

 

[DC]

Wow, do you know hot to discuss research or what? I know there is a language barrier here but seriously, that is called irrelevant. If you look at a study, you need to look at the methodology and then look for confounding factors to the alleged effect.


That is standard in science, unless you are one of tehse people who just looks for data that supports the premise and then doesn't examine it.

Your question shows you are out of the loop. Whatever.

2. The use of NSAIDs prescribed only twice a wekk is not the usual 'traditional' course of treatment.

what is the 'traditional' course of treatment ?

 

[DC]

OMG

http://www.leecrandallparkmd.net/researchpages/placebo1.html

A study from 1964, how positively archaic!

Try here duder:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

You will find 45,000 references to placebo.

that it is an old studie is actually not one of its flaws. it was a very , much to small studie, but still interesting.

which ones did you read about placebo? got any recommendations?

 

[Dancing David]

Do you have a clue? If you cite older research it is only in a literature review only. It gives the basis for the pst history but most teachers and researchers want data from the last 3 years.

I already gave you some recent articles for placebo effect, do what you want with them. You can also use Pub Med. whatever.

 

[Dancing David]

what is the 'traditional' course of treatment ?

For symptom relief?

http://www.wyeth.com/irj/servlet/pr...wyeth_html/home/hcp/shared/docs/BaylorFAQ.pdf

What is the proper dose of an NSAID for a patient with acute, nonspecific
low back pain?
Assuming no contraindications, the maximum dose of OTC ibuprofen is 1200 mg
per day for a maximum of 10 days; the maximum dose of acetaminophen is 4000
mg per day for a maximum of 10 days. If pain has not gotten better within 7 to 10
days, the patient should be seen for evaluation.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=low+back+pain+treatment+with+NSAIDs&aq=f&oq=

 

[DC]

For symptom relief?

http://www.wyeth.com/irj/servlet/pr...wyeth_html/home/hcp/shared/docs/BaylorFAQ.pdf



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=low+back+pain+treatment+with+NSAIDs&aq=f&oq=

The German study compared outcomes among 1,162 patients with chronic low back pain treated with traditional Chinese acupuncture; sham acupuncture; or a conventional approach to treating back pain using drugs, physical therapy, and exercise.

What is the proper dose of an NSAID for a patient with acute, nonspecific
low back pain?

 

[Dancing David]

Oh really, so if you have acute back pain and are prescribed a course of treatemnt, the dosage will be lower and more intermitent than in chronic back pain?

If you tried I bet you could do something more than ask ignorant questions, you might find that NSAIDs are considered ineffective in the treatment of CLBP (something that the lenth of german study does not even address is chronicity), but that they a4re considered to be safer in context than opiods.

If you tried you might look something other than ignorant, you might ask questions that made sense.

But please keep showing that you don't even try at all;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17909211

 

[Dancing David]

According to FLS I may have misread what they wrote.
It looked to me as though they only got NSAIDs twice a week, but I was wrong. Most likely.