kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Tianca, what reliable evidence do you have to support this claim of yours?
Please bear in mind that anecdotes are not reliable evidence.
Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.
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Tianca, what reliable evidence do you have to support this claim of yours?
Please bear in mind that anecdotes are not reliable evidence.
Does this help??
Subdivisions of forensic science
Agents of the United States Army Criminal Investigation Division investigate a crime scene
Criminalistics is the application of various sciences to answer questions relating to examination and comparison of biological evidence, trace evidence, impression evidence (such as fingerprints, footwear impressions, and tire tracks), controlled substances, ballistics, firearm and toolmark examination, and other evidence in criminal investigations. Typically, evidence is processed in a crime lab.
Digital forensics is the application of proven scientific methods and techniques in order to recover data from electronic / digital media. DF specialists work in the field as well as in the lab.
Forensic anthropology is the application of physical anthropology in a legal setting, usually for the recovery and identification of skeletonized human remains.
Forensic archaeology is the application of a combination of archaeological techniques and forensic science, typically in law enforcement.
Forensic DNA analysis takes advantage of the uniqueness of an individual's DNA to answer forensic questions such as determining paternity/maternity or placing a suspect at a crime scene.
Forensic entomology deals with the examination of insects in, on, and around human remains to assist in determination of time or location of death. It is also possible to determine if the body was moved after death.
Forensic geology deals with trace evidence in the form of soils, minerals and petroleums.
Forensic Interviewing is a method of communicating designed to elicit information and evidence.
Forensic meteorology is a site specific analysis of past weather conditions for a point of loss.
Forensic odontology is the study of the uniqueness of dentition better known as the study of teeth.
Forensic pathology is a field in which the principles of medicine and pathology are applied to determine a cause of death or injury in the context of a legal inquiry.
Forensic psychology is the study of the mind of an individual, using forensic methods. Usually it determines the circumstances behind a criminal's behavior.
Forensic toxicology is the study of the effect of drugs and poisons on/in the human body.
Forensic Document Examination or Questioned Document Examination is the discipline that answers questions about a disputed document using a variety of scientific processes and methods. Many examinations involve a comparison of the questioned document, or components of the document, to a set of known standards. The most common type of examination involves handwriting wherein the examiner tries to address concerns about potential authorship.
Well, at least I learned a bit by looking it up. LOL!!!
Tianca
Subdivisions of forensic science
Agents of the United States Army Criminal Investigation Division investigate a crime scene
Criminalistics is the application of various sciences to answer questions relating to examination and comparison of biological evidence, trace evidence, impression evidence (such as fingerprints, footwear impressions, and tire tracks), controlled substances, ballistics, firearm and toolmark examination, and other evidence in criminal investigations. Typically, evidence is processed in a crime lab.
Digital forensics is the application of proven scientific methods and techniques in order to recover data from electronic / digital media. DF specialists work in the field as well as in the lab.
Forensic anthropology is the application of physical anthropology in a legal setting, usually for the recovery and identification of skeletonized human remains.
Forensic archaeology is the application of a combination of archaeological techniques and forensic science, typically in law enforcement.
Forensic DNA analysis takes advantage of the uniqueness of an individual's DNA to answer forensic questions such as determining paternity/maternity or placing a suspect at a crime scene.
Forensic entomology deals with the examination of insects in, on, and around human remains to assist in determination of time or location of death. It is also possible to determine if the body was moved after death.
Forensic geology deals with trace evidence in the form of soils, minerals and petroleums.
Forensic Interviewing is a method of communicating designed to elicit information and evidence.
Forensic meteorology is a site specific analysis of past weather conditions for a point of loss.
Forensic odontology is the study of the uniqueness of dentition better known as the study of teeth.
Forensic pathology is a field in which the principles of medicine and pathology are applied to determine a cause of death or injury in the context of a legal inquiry.
Forensic psychology is the study of the mind of an individual, using forensic methods. Usually it determines the circumstances behind a criminal's behavior.
Forensic toxicology is the study of the effect of drugs and poisons on/in the human body.
Forensic Document Examination or Questioned Document Examination is the discipline that answers questions about a disputed document using a variety of scientific processes and methods. Many examinations involve a comparison of the questioned document, or components of the document, to a set of known standards. The most common type of examination involves handwriting wherein the examiner tries to address concerns about potential authorship.
Well, at least I learned a bit by looking it up. LOL!!!
Tianca
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You might want to read this.
Seniority means nothing. Native Americans learned that the hard way.
The description of the Wendigo does not match the traditional description of Bigfoot.
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Actually, it helps in no way whatsoever answer the question I was asking you. Anyone noticing a pattern?
Let's take another crack at it, shall we? You are a Bigfoot proponent. You claim that around 30 Bigfoots were killed by Mt. St. Helens and recovered by the U.S. Government. You state this as a fact. Do you have any reliable evidence that will allow me to reach the same conclusion as you have?
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This is all I could find, other than if people went in there, they never came back. Rather vague.
An issue of controversy is the origin of the word "Patagonia". According to a strong theory it comes from the Spanish "pata" which means foot.
When they first saw the Indian specie, according to Pigafetta, Magallanes exclaimed "oh how patagones they are" (meaning they had big feet)
According to the writer Bruce Chatwin the name is not born from the big foot prints on the sand from the natives but on the pages of a book "Primaleon", pages that are terrifying by "the weird beast called Patagon", this type of book was very much appreciated by the conquerors… When they knew how to read.
Not much help, but interesting reading.
Tianca
An issue of controversy is the origin of the word "Patagonia". According to a strong theory it comes from the Spanish "pata" which means foot.
When they first saw the Indian specie, according to Pigafetta, Magallanes exclaimed "oh how patagones they are" (meaning they had big feet)
According to the writer Bruce Chatwin the name is not born from the big foot prints on the sand from the natives but on the pages of a book "Primaleon", pages that are terrifying by "the weird beast called Patagon", this type of book was very much appreciated by the conquerors… When they knew how to read.
Not much help, but interesting reading.
Tianca
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
You will agree then that your claim of roughly 30 Bigfoots being killed by Mt. St. Helens and being recovered by the U.S. government is not a fact in any way, shape, or, form. Also, you will agree then that it is fair for anyone here to disregard your statements on the matter to be a highly spurious claim.
Is that fair?
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Which they use for Rambo paint when they play paintball.
I'm not even sure what an anecdote is.
Just eyewitness reports.
This is the proof that the government has dead bodies of Sasquatch. I have no idea what to do with it, but here it is.
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IBS Report #: 1015
Location: CLARK county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 56' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day:
Month:
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR91
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN (PLOT SCHOOL THERE)
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: FATHER
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF BODIES FROM MOUNT SAINT HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: WA CLARK 1980 TR#91
• Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
• Climate / Ecology:
• Precip:
• Temp:
• Sun:
• Snow:
• Ecology: Missing
********************************************************
IBS Report #: 2063
Location: CLARK County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 57' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day: 18?
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time: M
Elevation: 676
Data Source: TR39 JUL94
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN
Researcher: FRED BRADSHAW
Witness: MR BRADSHAW
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF BODIES FLOWN BY COPTER, BURNED
Sighting Text: * July, 1994 TR#39 It was reported that a pile of Bigfoot bodies was flown from the Mt. St. Helens area by helicopters. Fred Bradshaw says his dad was a security guard at Green Mountain,WA (T2N R3E), and confirmed that military helicopters brought large amounts of animals in cargo nets under the choppers. They were doused with napalm, which even burns the bones.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
*******************************
IBS Report #: 994
Location: COWLITZ county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 15' N
Longitude: 122˚ 53' W
Day: Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source:
Credibility: 1
Locality: COWLITZ RIVER
Researcher: TERRY REAMS
Witness: Manatowaka Company DREDGE
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: 2 BF CORPSES FROM MT ST HELENS CORP OF ENGINEERS DREDGED
Sighting Text: WA COWLITZ 1980 TR#91 Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the blast Mar 20 1980). Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
******************************************************
IBS Report #: 3468
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 06' N
Longitude: 122˚ 54' W
Day:
Month: JUN
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation: 3
Data Source:
Credibility: 3
Locality: Cowlitz River
Researcher: Terry Reams
Witness: Manatowaka Company
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: TWO BF BODIES FOUND AFTER MT ST HELENS, CHOPPER TAKES THEM
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 Guest speaker Roger Veach had an interesting talk. Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the MAY 18, 1980 blast). *** Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
*****************************************************
IBS Report #: 3493
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude:
Longitude:
Day:
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR 91 SEPT 1999
Credibility: 3
Locality: MT ST HELENS
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: MR Bradshaw
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF FROM MT ST HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 * Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
This is all they had to go on, but no telling how many others know about this and are still not talking because of government threats.
Tianca
Just eyewitness reports.
This is the proof that the government has dead bodies of Sasquatch. I have no idea what to do with it, but here it is.
************************
IBS Report #: 1015
Location: CLARK county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 56' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day:
Month:
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR91
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN (PLOT SCHOOL THERE)
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: FATHER
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF BODIES FROM MOUNT SAINT HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: WA CLARK 1980 TR#91
• Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
• Climate / Ecology:
• Precip:
• Temp:
• Sun:
• Snow:
• Ecology: Missing
********************************************************
IBS Report #: 2063
Location: CLARK County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 57' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day: 18?
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time: M
Elevation: 676
Data Source: TR39 JUL94
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN
Researcher: FRED BRADSHAW
Witness: MR BRADSHAW
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF BODIES FLOWN BY COPTER, BURNED
Sighting Text: * July, 1994 TR#39 It was reported that a pile of Bigfoot bodies was flown from the Mt. St. Helens area by helicopters. Fred Bradshaw says his dad was a security guard at Green Mountain,WA (T2N R3E), and confirmed that military helicopters brought large amounts of animals in cargo nets under the choppers. They were doused with napalm, which even burns the bones.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
*******************************
IBS Report #: 994
Location: COWLITZ county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 15' N
Longitude: 122˚ 53' W
Day: Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source:
Credibility: 1
Locality: COWLITZ RIVER
Researcher: TERRY REAMS
Witness: Manatowaka Company DREDGE
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: 2 BF CORPSES FROM MT ST HELENS CORP OF ENGINEERS DREDGED
Sighting Text: WA COWLITZ 1980 TR#91 Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the blast Mar 20 1980). Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
******************************************************
IBS Report #: 3468
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 06' N
Longitude: 122˚ 54' W
Day:
Month: JUN
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation: 3
Data Source:
Credibility: 3
Locality: Cowlitz River
Researcher: Terry Reams
Witness: Manatowaka Company
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: TWO BF BODIES FOUND AFTER MT ST HELENS, CHOPPER TAKES THEM
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 Guest speaker Roger Veach had an interesting talk. Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the MAY 18, 1980 blast). *** Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
*****************************************************
IBS Report #: 3493
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude:
Longitude:
Day:
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR 91 SEPT 1999
Credibility: 3
Locality: MT ST HELENS
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: MR Bradshaw
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF FROM MT ST HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 * Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
This is all they had to go on, but no telling how many others know about this and are still not talking because of government threats.
Tianca
kitakaze
Resident DJ/NSA Supermole
Tianca, an eyewitness report is an anecdote. An anecdote is a story or account. It is not reliable. Human testimony has been show countless times to be notoriously unreliable. What you cut and pasted is in no way proof of your claim. If that is proof then I can prove to you the existence of fairies, goat suckers, werewolves, ghosts, aliens, etc.
A request for you, Tianca. You are a new member and can not make links until you have over 20 posts, IIRC. Please do not cut and paste giant blobs of text. Many people consider this spamming or at least bad netiquette. I'm guessing you weren't aware of this. Before you reach 20 posts, if you have a link you would like us to see please cut and paste the URL only and we can check it ourselves.
Thanks and welcome to the JREF.
Sasquatch bodies found after Mt St Helens explosion...
I'm not even sure what an anecdote is.
Just eyewitness reports.
This is the proof that the government has dead bodies of Sasquatch. I have no idea what to do with it, but here it is.
************************
IBS Report #: 1015
Location: CLARK county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 56' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day:
Month:
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR91
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN (PLOT SCHOOL THERE)
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: FATHER
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF BODIES FROM MOUNT SAINT HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: WA CLARK 1980 TR#91
• Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
• Climate / Ecology:
• Precip:
• Temp:
• Sun:
• Snow:
• Ecology: Missing
********************************************************
IBS Report #: 2063
Location: CLARK County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 57' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day: 18?
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time: M
Elevation: 676
Data Source: TR39 JUL94
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN
Researcher: FRED BRADSHAW
Witness: MR BRADSHAW
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF BODIES FLOWN BY COPTER, BURNED
Sighting Text: * July, 1994 TR#39 It was reported that a pile of Bigfoot bodies was flown from the Mt. St. Helens area by helicopters. Fred Bradshaw says his dad was a security guard at Green Mountain,WA (T2N R3E), and confirmed that military helicopters brought large amounts of animals in cargo nets under the choppers. They were doused with napalm, which even burns the bones.
Climate / Ecology:
Precip:
Temp:
Sun:
Snow:
Ecology: Missing
*******************************
IBS Report #: 994
Location: COWLITZ county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 15' N
Longitude: 122˚ 53' W
Day: Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source:
Credibility: 1
Locality: COWLITZ RIVER
Researcher: TERRY REAMS
Witness: Manatowaka Company DREDGE
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: 2 BF CORPSES FROM MT ST HELENS CORP OF ENGINEERS DREDGED
Sighting Text: WA COWLITZ 1980 TR#91 Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the blast Mar 20 1980). Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
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IBS Report #: 3468
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 06' N
Longitude: 122˚ 54' W
Day:
Month: JUN
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation: 3
Data Source:
Credibility: 3
Locality: Cowlitz River
Researcher: Terry Reams
Witness: Manatowaka Company
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: TWO BF BODIES FOUND AFTER MT ST HELENS, CHOPPER TAKES THEM
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 Guest speaker Roger Veach had an interesting talk. Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the MAY 18, 1980 blast). *** Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
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IBS Report #: 3493
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
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Month: MAY
Year: 1980
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Data Source: TR 91 SEPT 1999
Credibility: 3
Locality: MT ST HELENS
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: MR Bradshaw
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF FROM MT ST HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 * Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
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This is all they had to go on, but no telling how many others know about this and are still not talking because of government threats.
Tianca
I'm not even sure what an anecdote is.
Just eyewitness reports.
This is the proof that the government has dead bodies of Sasquatch. I have no idea what to do with it, but here it is.
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IBS Report #: 1015
Location: CLARK county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 56' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
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Month:
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR91
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN (PLOT SCHOOL THERE)
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: FATHER
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF BODIES FROM MOUNT SAINT HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: WA CLARK 1980 TR#91
• Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
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IBS Report #: 2063
Location: CLARK County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +045˚ 57' N
Longitude: 122˚ 32' W
Day: 18?
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time: M
Elevation: 676
Data Source: TR39 JUL94
Credibility: 1
Locality: GREEN MOUNTAIN
Researcher: FRED BRADSHAW
Witness: MR BRADSHAW
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: BF BODIES FLOWN BY COPTER, BURNED
Sighting Text: * July, 1994 TR#39 It was reported that a pile of Bigfoot bodies was flown from the Mt. St. Helens area by helicopters. Fred Bradshaw says his dad was a security guard at Green Mountain,WA (T2N R3E), and confirmed that military helicopters brought large amounts of animals in cargo nets under the choppers. They were doused with napalm, which even burns the bones.
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IBS Report #: 994
Location: COWLITZ county, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 15' N
Longitude: 122˚ 53' W
Day: Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source:
Credibility: 1
Locality: COWLITZ RIVER
Researcher: TERRY REAMS
Witness: Manatowaka Company DREDGE
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: 2 BF CORPSES FROM MT ST HELENS CORP OF ENGINEERS DREDGED
Sighting Text: WA COWLITZ 1980 TR#91 Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the blast Mar 20 1980). Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
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IBS Report #: 3468
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude: +046˚ 06' N
Longitude: 122˚ 54' W
Day:
Month: JUN
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation: 3
Data Source:
Credibility: 3
Locality: Cowlitz River
Researcher: Terry Reams
Witness: Manatowaka Company
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: TWO BF BODIES FOUND AFTER MT ST HELENS, CHOPPER TAKES THEM
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 Guest speaker Roger Veach had an interesting talk. Speaking of Mt. St. Helens, someone brought up the topic of corpses of Bigfoot. He had heard of two that the Army Corps of Engineers had taken out (this was two months after the MAY 18, 1980 blast). *** Terry Reams heard of a dredging operation of the Cowlitz River and two bodies were found in the sand (probably same case?). A chopper had flew them off. Joe Beelart offered that the crane doing the dredging was from the Manatowaka Company, and that the bodies were found two weeks after the blast. He suggested that somebody might want to track down the company and find out who was working the shift that the bodies had been found on.
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Ecology: Missing
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IBS Report #: 3493
Location: COWLITZ County, WA. UNITED STATES
Sighting Type: 1
Latitude:
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Day:
Month: MAY
Year: 1980
Time:
Elevation:
Data Source: TR 91 SEPT 1999
Credibility: 3
Locality: MT ST HELENS
Researcher: Fred Bradshaw
Witness: MR Bradshaw
Sighting Type: 1
Summary: DEAD BF FROM MT ST HELENS SEEN
Sighting Text: TR 91 SEPT 1999 * Fred Bradshaw report concerning dead Bigfoot bodies near Mt. St. Helens. My father worked for Weyerhauser Co. at Green Mountain ,WA, east of Vancouver. The site has security on their roads to check on the equipment and check closed areas to keep people out. My father was working the day Mt. St. Helens blew up. He was at a meeting in Kelso, WA, and as he was a supervisor, when Mt. St. Helens blew it's side out, all heck cut lose. My father was sent back to Green Mountain right away but like most he wasn't allowed to go very far because of the mud slide coming down the river. He did get to the town of Toutle, WA, on highway 504 off I-5. He and his crew were placed at different spots to watch mud flow and of course help people get out of the blast zone after the major blow up. He was sent to the area of Sprit Lake to keep people out. When the second major blow up of the mountain came, my father and the other guy with him reported in, and they got out of there. Well he was then placed in charge of the helicopter landing zone. It was his job to help keep people out of the landing zone and let aid crews in so they could care for injured. Later. when all the people were out and bodies out, the National Guard was brought in to clean up. They hauled dead animals out that they placed in piles; deer in one, elk in another and so on. They were covered up with tarps and later burned. But my father was placed in charge of one pile of dead that were covered and no one was allowed to go near. Armed U.S. National Guard personal were around this pile, and one day when they were going to move this group of bodies, and my father was very close to it and was told to keep his mouth closed. And when the tarps were removed he saw the creatures, some badly burned and some not. They placed them in a net and lifted them into a truck and covered it over. My father asked a guardsmen what will they do with them and he said study them or what ever...he didn't want to know. He said it's like other things you don't ask, and off they went . AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. My father and the rest were debriefed and sent home.
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Ecology: Missing
This is all they had to go on, but no telling how many others know about this and are still not talking because of government threats.
Tianca
kitakaze
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I don't understand the point of making a double post with a title but could you please refer to my previous post and not pollute the thread, Tianca? Thanks.
I was hoping you'd encourage more information and less arguing. That is about all I've seen in here. I don't judge the information, I leave that up to those who read it. How is this anecdotal? It is just reports from the people that experienced it. That is as good as it gets, when you are looking for clues. Then you take that information and do your own legwork, if you can. From what I can gather from these reports, it is clear that these people weren't lying. They were relating what happened to the best of their knowledge. That is really all you can expect from witnesses, especially when the government is involved.
Tianca
Tianca
tyr_13
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These reports have contradictions and details that the people reporting could not have known (napalm wasn't in use in the 80's for one, and two, why were the allowed to watch this?).
What a silly conspiracy theory. If the government knew that bigfeet were real and had proof they would of course use it to stimulate business. 'IBS report' has one letter too many...
EDIT: Oh, and this is all off topic. Start a new thread or find the right one.
What a silly conspiracy theory. If the government knew that bigfeet were real and had proof they would of course use it to stimulate business. 'IBS report' has one letter too many...
EDIT: Oh, and this is all off topic. Start a new thread or find the right one.
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kitakaze
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You offered those anecdotes as proof for the claim that 30 Bigfoots were killed by Mt. St. Helens and recovered by the U.S. government. How have you confirmed the veracity of those reports?
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kitakaze
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That's OK, Tianca. I understand. It takes getting used to. Feel free to ask any questions you'd like about getting the hang of things.
No! I will not agree to that. Information is just that, what you do with it is what matters. I don't presume to tell you to accept it, just read it and see what you think about it.
They all sound very reliable to me, from what I already know about the subject.
And you totally ignored my point altogether! The Sasquatch took human women to mate, all over the planet, not just in the USA. They had kids, that makes them human.
Tianca
They all sound very reliable to me, from what I already know about the subject.
And you totally ignored my point altogether! The Sasquatch took human women to mate, all over the planet, not just in the USA. They had kids, that makes them human.
Tianca
tyr_13
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We aren't ignoring you point. It all sounds very unreliable to us. We aren't accepting it.
If bigfoot mated with a human woman, DNA would bear this out. There wouldn't even have to be specific tests done for it, some of them would be stumbled upon by paternity suits.
If bigfoot mated with a human woman, DNA would bear this out. There wouldn't even have to be specific tests done for it, some of them would be stumbled upon by paternity suits.