Palin, Prophecy, and End-Times

varwoche said:
How does this relate to the price of bread? (Answer: It doesn't.)
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How does Palin's religion relate to the price of bread?


No, not really. Palin's church and her apparent beliefs are on the fringe by any reasonable standard.
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Perhaps, but isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that she would let her religious beliefs interfere with her responsibilities as VP. Even more relevant, have her religious beliefs interfered with her governorship of Alaska? If they have, then you might have a case. If they haven't, then there is no precedent on which to base suspicions that she will. Especially when she has stated that she won't.


Er, um, back to the bread.
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Third verse same as the first!
 
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Radrook said:
How does Palin's religion relate to the price of bread?
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Obviously because: (1) a person who believes in a literal, apocalyptic end-times might act on this belief, and (2) Palin is on record intermingling her beliefs in prophecy with policy matters.

Perhaps, but isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that she would let her religious beliefs interfere with her responsibilities as VP.
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I don't assume she would. I assume she might. (Palin as VP isn't the concern; Palin as POTUS is the concern.)

If I was sure that an apocalypse was going to happen next week, I'd do everything in my power to help relieve human suffering. Wouldn't you?
 
varwoche said:
Obviously because: (1) a person who believes in a literal, apocalyptic end-times might act on this belief, and (2) Palin is on record intermingling her beliefs in prophecy with policy matters.
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On your first point. Bill Hicks said it better and funnier but without the pretension of skeptical inquiry to hide behind.
 
Once elected do P/VPs really throw more than a few crumbs to the religious lobby?
 
varwoche said:
Obviously because: (1) a person who believes in a literal, apocalyptic end-times might act on this belief, and (2) Palin is on record intermingling her beliefs in prophecy with policy matters.

I don't assume she would. I assume she might. (Palin as VP isn't the concern; Palin as POTUS is the concern.)

If I was sure that an apocalypse was going to happen next week, I'd do everything in my power to help relieve human suffering. Wouldn't you?
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Palin is on record intermingling her beliefs in prophecy with policy matters.

Where?

She's on record a vast number of times to the opposite. Just another Palin smear that don't stick.

varwoche said:
....When you throw all religion into one great big bucket, you lose the ability to distinguish between moderate and extreme.
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Eisenhower.
 
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corplinx said:
On your first point. Bill Hicks said it better and funnier but without the pretension of skeptical inquiry to hide behind.
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Seeing as I don't know who Bill Hicks is, this conveys to me precisely nothing. But even if I was aware of Hicks, I'm guessing this nothing more than vacuous posturing. You can correct me if I'm wrong naturally, but otherwise please stop derailing the thread.
 
Can you provide one example where Palin's religious beliefs caused her to do something detrimental to the State of Alaska?
 
mhaze said:
Apparently you overlooked that she left that church years ago.
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I'm glad you brought this up.

Palin attends three churches, two of them AOG/pentecostal (including Wasilla). Yet it's all whitewashed from her official bio. It's a charade.

But my point stands in any case. It's as clear as the day is long in the dead of summer in Wasilla that Palin said things in June, 2008 that were over-the-top delusional. And she claimed to know God's will on an important public policy matter. Correct?

Radrook said:
Can you provide one example where Palin's religious beliefs caused her to do something detrimental to the State of Alaska?
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She's done a lot of questionable things as a public official. How am I to know which are motivated by voices she hears in her head?
 
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varwoche said:
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She's done a lot of questionable things as a public official. How am I to know which are motivated by voices she hears in her head?
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Well, we can compare her decisions with official church doctrines and see if her decisions are reflect her church's beliefs. That isn't impossible to do.
 
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As much is this will certainly be laughed at, and make me even less respected by many of you here, I am going to just come out and say it.

I love Palin. She's awesome. She is a rising star. And she is going to be a major player in Republican politics in the coming years. I guarantee it. I'd even suggest that the Democrats know it to, by their ongoing effort to completely destroy her now before she can get there. It's not just about beating McCain/Palin in 2008 anymore. There is a concerted effort to destroy her politically, forever.

My only concern is that she is being pushed into the spotlight too early. It's like in the NBA, where players can now come out of high school.. You can have a great, solid rising star, and it's possible they can be pushed into the spotlight too early and then they have to make or break based on little experience. It's a chance for them to fall down, and then be ruined forever because of it. It's a risk. But I think she is good enough and strong enough to ride it out, and I predict she is going to give heartburn to the left for many years to come.
 
Radrook said:
Well, we can compare her decisions with official church doctrines and see if her decisions are reflect her church's beliefs. That isn't impossible to do.
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Ya sure, let's see what church position is on gas pipelines.

(That was supposed to be sarcastic. But given Kalnins' excitement about God's plan for Alaska's energy, you never know. :D)
 
varwoche said:
I'm glad you brought this up.

Palin attends three churches, two of them AOG/pentecostal (including Wasilla). Yet it's all whitewashed from her official bio. It's a charade.

But my point stands in any case. It's as clear as the day is long in the dead of summer in Wasilla that Palin said things in June, 2008 that were over-the-top delusional. And she claimed to know God's will on an important public policy matter. Correct?

She's done a lot of questionable things as a public official. How am I to know which are motivated by voices she hears in her head?
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Obama comes right out and talks about the voices in his head, makes you look rather foolish...

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/06/06/barack-obama-the-2004-god-factor-interview-transcript/

GGG:Is Jesus someone who you feel you have a regular connection with now, a personal connection with in your life?
OBAMA:Yeah. Yes. I think some of the thigns I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.


GG: you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?
OBAMA:Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

GG: you pray often? OBAMA:Uh, yeah, I guess I do.
Its’ not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.
 
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mhaze said:
Obama comes right out and talks about the voices in his head, makes you look rather foolish...

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/06/06/barack-obama-the-2004-god-factor-interview-transcript/

GGG:Is Jesus someone who you feel you have a regular connection with now, a personal connection with in your life?
OBAMA:Yeah. Yes. I think some of the thigns I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.


GG: you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?
OBAMA:Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.

GG: you pray often? OBAMA:Uh, yeah, I guess I do.
Its’ not formal, me getting on my knees. I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.
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Yeah, but is Obama a true believer? I have my doubts about both Obama and McCain, as well as Clinton. All American politicians have to pay lip service to religion. It's a political requirement. Bush strikes me as a true believer. So does Palin. IIRC, Obama has said he believes in Evolution, which rules out a literal interpretation of the Bible. 'Faith' then becomes more of a matter of conforming to social norms rather than actual woo.
 
mhaze said:
Obama comes right out and talks about the voices in his head, makes you look rather foolish...
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I'd appreciate it if you'd go start a new thread if you wish to discuss Obama's religion.

You didn't address the question I posed to you (in bold).
 
boloboffin said:
However, this [Alaska as refuge state] is a doctrine I've not run across yet. It could be an idiosyncratic belief of this particular preacher.
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As best I can tell, this is a concept emanating from AoG Wasilla.

I've googled Alaska "end times" refuge -Palin -Wasilla -wildlife and many variations ("second coming" in place of "end times", etc.) and hit a blank.
 
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