Palin, Prophecy, and End-Times

varwoche said:
Ya sure, let's see what church position is on gas pipelines.

(That was supposed to be sarcastic. But given Kalnins' excitement about God's plan for Alaska's energy, you never know. :D)
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Is her concept beneficial to Alaska?
 
Puppycow said:
Yeah, but is Obama a true believer? I have my doubts about both Obama and McCain, as well as Clinton. All American politicians have to pay lip service to religion. It's a political requirement. Bush strikes me as a true believer. So does Palin. IIRC, Obama has said he believes in Evolution, which rules out a literal interpretation of the Bible. 'Faith' then becomes more of a matter of conforming to social norms rather than actual woo.
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Now you are delusional. The politician you like pays "lip service" to religion. The ones you don't like are "true believers".

But the facts do not support your view.

OBAMA:

...some of the thigns I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
...my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
...I have an ongoing conversation with God.

Want more?
 
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mhaze said:
She's on record a vast number of times to the opposite.
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I've been meaning to get back to this gullible statement.

Very little weight should be assigned to self serving statements from politicians running for office. If we're to blithely take candidates' self serving words as fact, most of the threads posted here would be nipped in the bud immediately.

And this is all the more true when the self serving statements are blatant white-washes.
 
varwoche said:
I've been meaning to get back to this gullible statement.

Very little weight should be assigned to self serving statements from politicians running for office. If we're to blithely take candidates' self serving words as fact, most of the threads posted here would be nipped in the bud immediately.

And this is all the more true when the self serving statements are blatant white-washes.
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Thank you for proving my point:

Now you are delusional. The politician you like pays "lip service" to religion. The ones you don't like are "true believers".

But the facts do not support your view.

OBAMA:

...some of the thigns I talked about earlier are addressed through, are channeled through my Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
...my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
...I have an ongoing conversation with God.

Want more?
 
Last night, I was having a similar discussion with my wife, my sister and my brother-in-law. We were discussing some people's idea that Sarah Palin is a refreshing alternative to "Washington elites." We also discussed Sarah Palin's religion, and its possible influence on any decisions she may have to make. The question that keeps occurring to me is: Is this the best we can aspire to? Do we really want "Joe Six-pack" to be our (vice) president?

Then, today, I found this article by Sam Harris. It says exactly what I meant to say, but says it so much better. Sam Harris in Newsweek
 
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mhaze said:
Thank you for proving my point...
Want more?
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No thank you. Once I've exhausted the thread topic I'll be glad to re-vist this however.

As to the thread topic, if you can't bother to address the questions I pose to you then attempting dialog is a waste of time -- it's like trying to talk with a bot.
 
Whiplash said:
As much is this will certainly be laughed at, and make me even less respected by many of you here, I am going to just come out and say it.

I love Palin. She's awesome. She is a rising star. And she is going to be a major player in Republican politics in the coming years. I guarantee it. I'd even suggest that the Democrats know it to, by their ongoing effort to completely destroy her now before she can get there. It's not just about beating McCain/Palin in 2008 anymore. There is a concerted effort to destroy her politically, forever.

My only concern is that she is being pushed into the spotlight too early. It's like in the NBA, where players can now come out of high school.. You can have a great, solid rising star, and it's possible they can be pushed into the spotlight too early and then they have to make or break based on little experience. It's a chance for them to fall down, and then be ruined forever because of it. It's a risk. But I think she is good enough and strong enough to ride it out, and I predict she is going to give heartburn to the left for many years to come.
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I wouldn't say it's impossible, but she'll have to smarten up a bit. I figure she might might become a touchstone for the far right, sort of a Rick Santorum sort of character, but I cannot see her ever again being a national player.

If she loses, this will have been her fifteen minutes.
 
BenBurch said:
Whiplash,

I am so sorry that we ARE going to destroy your rising star's career. You can go to the bank on that. She'd have made a great Congressperson, though.

-Ben
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That's quite the threat coming from a party as inept as the Democrats; I mean, an election this close after eight years of Bush is almost bizarre. But, you seem pretty proud of yourself so I guess that's what important here.
 
BenBurch said:
Whiplash,

I am so sorry that we ARE going to destroy your rising star's career. You can go to the bank on that. She'd have made a great Congressperson, though.

-Ben
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Gloat-festing smear merchants are a cheap commodity these days.
 
varwoche said:
No thank you. Once I've exhausted the thread topic I'll be glad to re-vist this however.

As to the thread topic, if you can't bother to address the questions I pose to you then attempting dialog is a waste of time -- it's like trying to talk with a bot.
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Yes, crawl back to a safe place. By the way, if the concept of Alaska as a refuge state is new to you, you really need to Google better.

More facts.

Palin considers herself a born-again Christian.

Obama considers himself a born again Christian.
 
mhaze said:
By the way, if the concept of Alaska as a refuge state is new to you, you really need to Google better.
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Here's a novel concept you might consider: How about sharing your knowledge instead of playing infantile games?
 
varwoche said:
Here's a novel concept you might consider: How about sharing your knowledge instead of playing infantile games?
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Sure, but I gotta admit to thinking this was obvious. Apparently not.

1. People have gone to Alaska to start a new life-it's a frontier. This isn't going to change. It has been a refuge state for a whole lot of people. Often ducking the law, bill collectors, other people/spouses, etc.

2. I'd like to not be bothered to count the number of "Alaska XXX/YYY/ZZZ (Wildlife, Fish, blah blah blah) Refuges" established as fact in Alaska.
 
mhaze said:
Sure, but I gotta admit to thinking this was obvious. Apparently not.

1. People have gone to Alaska to start a new life-it's a frontier. This isn't going to change. It has been a refuge state for a whole lot of people. Often ducking the law, bill collectors, other people/spouses, etc.

2. I'd like to not be bothered to count the number of "Alaska XXX/YYY/ZZZ (Wildlife, Fish, blah blah blah) Refuges" established as fact in Alaska.
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I actually thought for a moment you had something to contribute, and not just more infantile drivel. Silly me.
 
varwoche said:
I actually thought for a moment you had something to contribute, and not just more infantile drivel. Silly me.
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Oh, you mean contribute to your smear attack of the OP:

The purpose of this thread is to explore Sarah Palin's apparent beliefs in prophecy, an apocalyptic end-times, Alaska's special role during end-times, and her intermingling of these topics with policy matters.

But not use the same logical method to explore Obama's being born again by the hand of Rev. Wright? His channeling God? His curious belief that the Holy Spirit comes down on him when he speaks?

Yes, silly you.
 
One of Palin's three churches is not affiliated with AoG, and this has been (vaguely) offered as evidence that maybe Palin doesn't actually believe in prophecy and end-times (contrary to her June 2008 statements).

Not so fast. Here's a sermon (mp3) from Larry Kroons, pastor of the non-affiliated Wasilla Bible Church titled Gripping the Prophetic Future:
Larry Kroons said:
I'm going to give you a functional grip on the prophetic future ... You will be able to step out of here with a clear-headed confidence about what lies ahead, and how to live in light of that. That when the subject of prophecy and future events and the return of Jesus comes to your mind, it's not a clouded maze. You see with clarity and you're able to live with confidence ... I want to make sure you get some certain basic things locked in solid when the subject of the future comes up.
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There's a lot more of Kroon's sermons to slog through. (ah, the simple joys)
 
Some old business...
mhaze said:
Thank you for proving my point: Now you are delusional. The politician you like pays "lip service" to religion. The ones you don't like are "true believers".
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This is 200 proof self-serving presupposition. I haven't written one syllable about Obama in this thread. (Actually, I don't think I've ever posted on the subject of Obama's religious beliefs.)

As to your goofy suggestion that Obama's religiosity is on par with Palin's:

  • Obama is on record that evolution is fact. Unlike Palin.
  • Obama has never advocated teaching creationism in public school. Unlike Palin.
  • Obama is not on record claiming to know "God's will" on public policy matters. Unlike Palin.
  • Obama is not on record claiming prophetic abilities. Unlike Palin.
  • Obama is not on record about end-times (nor Alaska's special role as a sanctuary ;)) Unlike Palin.
 
Palin's own words make the strongest case that she believes in prophecy, end times, and that Alaska has a special role as a refuge during end times.

On top of Palin's words we have the apocalyptic raving of Wasilla AOG Pastor Kalnins (alongside Palin). And we also have the apocalyptic raving of Kroon, pastor of the supposedly less extreme fundamentalist church amongst Palin's three churches. (I haven't discussed the AOG church she attends in Juneau. It's fertile territory, time allowing and if I remain interested.)

Another piece of work is Mary Glazer, part of Palin's prayer goup (time period unknown), Alaskan Independence Party member, and yes, another witch hunter.

(first :45 of video is silent)

Here's more Glazer gibbering about future terrorist attacks (scroll down).
 
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Oh yeah! What about Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Louis Fahrakan, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and all the other religious loonies that Obama subscribed to newsletters from and engaged in orgies with?

Booyah!
 
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