Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[The Professor]

So you're not working on the protocol. Roger that. I'll stop back when you are.

THANKS for your help!

Oh, I'm working on the protocol right now! I've never stopped. However, I will refuse your Dare. I will Not remain silent and Stop defending myself from attacks on other threads. That would just make me "Fair Game"... I'm sure you wouldn't want that

The protocol is almost ready although improvements are always an option.

 

[The Professor]

Professor: Might I point out a contradiction in the above post? In general, modern technologies are not simpler. Two tin cans and a piece of string is a whole lot simpler than a cell phone.

I agree with you in that simple is good. I just don't think you're simplifying in the right way.



Have you given any thought to my offer to volunteer as a neutral third party?

How would I entertain that idea? How would you do this?

It is my thought that before posting perhaps some of the members here could do a little research into ITC and the current form of EVP being used.
The concept of "HOW" the communication is made would help the protocol design.

 

[Coveredinbeeees]

I am SIMPLIFYING the situation. A simple Mac laptop, placed on my knees with an examinable mirror and a standard feedback loop.
Pretty basic really.

A laptop computer is a more complicated device than a cassette recorder with a microphone. It is more complicated even than a simple digital recorder.

Your claim refers to voices appearing on magnetic tape. The simplest device for recording sound on magnetic tape is a cassette tape recorder.

In what way does the inclusion of a more complicated device which does not record on magnetic tape simplify your situation?

Actually the "Sound Proof Box" would be the Easiest thing in my mind to gaff. Micro chips (or whatever they put into greeting cards etc) that produce sound could be built into absolutely any section of the box. You'd have to dismantle and disect each little piece. You'd have to cut the entire box into tiny 1/4 inch pieces to be "absolutely" sure.

So ... the Box Idea won't work realistically

I disagree. A soundproof box could be made entirely of acoustic foam, with a section of its centre cut out to a size that will fit a particular cassette tape recorder. So long as the protocol stipulated that both the simple tape recorder and the foam could be thoroughly examined immediately upon completion of the test then any trickery could be ruled out.

The cassette recorder could be purchased on the day of test and the foam could be examined with a metal detector to rule out the presence of "microchips"

Could you explain why the method outlined above would not be viable?

 

[The Professor]

Dave, I look forward to seeing your protocol so you can take the MDC. How are you going to show the entity or anomaly or whatever to be self-evidently paranormal?



Images and sounds from a laptop or scientifically explainable. Please tell us how they will be shown to be paranormal.

I don't have to, but you already know that
Anything that is Not Scientifically Explainable is Paranormal.
If you can't scientifically explain the "Voices" then they are Paranormal!

You need to re-read the Claim

 

[Czarcasm]

The Professor has stated today, in two other threads in this forum, that he has already developed his protocol and has posted it.
The Professor, please link to the exact post that contains your completed protocol.

 

[RoboTimbo]

At this point, this challenge application is being put on the back burner, as it won't take place for at least a year, apparently. I sent The Professor mail a few days ago, but he has not responded.

If you'd like to continue working on protocol here, that's fine. This thread will be moderated by normal standards from now on, and I will not be following it. Any official communication regarding this challenge will take place via e-mail.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help reach a working protocol.

But, but.... The Professor says he has a protocol! Had it all along!

I will take your advice and grab some Sailor Jerry's Rum!!!!!
.... And Dream of Treasure here in the Florida Sunshine

BTW ...I have a protocol. I always have.
How did anyone miss it? Perhaps no one is actually reading what I've written?
I think that most have spent so much time on the "bashing" that they've missed what has been said.

The Protocol was developed long ago! Weren't you listening?
The protocol was discussed for weeks although the BASHERS and SNARKIES were too busy doing what they do to actually READ

The Professor, can you please post the entire contents of the email protocol discussion you had with Jeff here.

Thank you.

 

[Moochie]

Protocol negotiations will have to give way to Slim 'n' Jim entanglements, I'm afraid, so far as I can scientifically measure from the other threads both gentle men have posted to in the past twenty-four hours.

Sports fans are advised to check in once a month for further updates.


M.

 

[The Professor]

But, but.... The Professor says he has a protocol! Had it all along!




The Professor, can you please post the entire contents of the email protocol discussion you had with Jeff here.

Thank you.

You have come to the party late without doing your homework.
It's all there, but as others have said .... "I won't Spoon Feed You "

 

[The Professor]

The Professor has stated today, in two other threads in this forum, that he has already developed his protocol and has posted it.
The Professor, please link to the exact post that contains your completed protocol.

As I've said ... taking a shortcut is unfair. You must read what has been written.

 

[Roadtoad]

I don't have to, but you already know that
Anything that is Not Scientifically Explainable is Paranormal.
If you can't scientifically explain the "Voices" then they are Paranormal!

You need to re-read the Claim

It's been read and re-read. Your protocols don't pass muster. Your claim, as stated, cannot be tested under the protocols you've proposed. Alternatives have been offered, and you've rejected them.

If it can't be tested, then there's no chance at the million. That's the whole point behind the Challenge: Evidence.

Either show how you'll provide it, or give it up.

 

[Hatchet]

I don't have to, but you already know that
Anything that is Not Scientifically Explainable is Paranormal.
If you can't scientifically explain the "Voices" then they are Paranormal!

You need to re-read the Claim

Umm... As per the application form:

All tests must be designed in such a way that the results are self-evident, so that no judging or voting process is required.

So yes, you do have to show that the voices are self-evidently paranormal, but you already know that

Cheers.

 

[Darat]

Folks I know the moderation of this thread has been slightly unusual however it is now back to being a standard [Moderated Thread], let me remind you of this part of the guidelines:

A stricter enforcement of the Membership Agreement is used in [Moderated Threads] which means that any post that breaches the Membership Agreement even in a minor way will not appear, so resist the urge to add a “heated comment” if you wish your opus magnum to appear.​

The topic of this thread is now a protocol for the Million Dollar Challenge, anything else is off-topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Czarcasm]

As I've said ... taking a shortcut is unfair. You must read what has been written.

Please provide a link to the exact post that contains your completed protocol.

 

[fakejakesnake]

We need to know if the entities can be persuaded to record specific phrases or answer specific questions that have only one answer like math questions.

Though the protocol would be assisted by specific phrases and specific answers, the evidence that Dave Koenig has already provided in regard to specificity, coupled with the introduction of an entity, suggests neither are needed for his performance during the test.

Given the location and the close proximity of expired souls, would the manifestation of Jim Callahan's voice be considered proof?

 

[RoboTimbo]

THANKS for your help!

Oh, I'm working on the protocol right now! I've never stopped. However, I will refuse your Dare. I will Not remain silent and Stop defending myself from attacks on other threads. That would just make me "Fair Game"... I'm sure you wouldn't want that

The protocol is almost ready although improvements are always an option.

So, your previous contention that you've had a completed protocol all along and nobody noticed is incorrect then? You actully stated it in two separate posts on another thread.

 

[steenkh]

I applaud your honesty and clear thinking here!

Thank you.

Actually the "Sound Proof Box" would be the Easiest thing in my mind to gaff. Micro chips (or whatever they put into greeting cards etc) that produce sound could be built into absolutely any section of the box. You'd have to dismantle and disect each little piece. You'd have to cut the entire box into tiny 1/4 inch pieces to be "absolutely" sure.

So ... the Box Idea won't work realistically.

Well, if the a neutral party supplies the box, it is rather unlikely that they will hide a microchip in it. In fact, you should not have access to the box at all, only the neutral testers. You could insist on some control that the JREF is not hiding magnets or other stuff to ruin a recording, but I think that if the neutral testers are the only ones to handle the box and the recorder, neither party would have reason to suspect foul play in this way.

I'm now thinking that making EVERYTHING visible to the testers is the way to go. Everything totally visible!

But we are still talking about muting sound from outside? How can you mute sound in a way that everything will be visible?

 

[The Professor]

I am happy to be receiving a great deal of help from several Expert Paranormal Investigators. These combined with the Paranormal Research Groups should help provide an airtight Protocol acceptable by all! They seem very exited that I win the JREF MDC.

I am working on a very detailed protocol. It will not contain silly magicians envelopes or the newest Mentalism trick. This is a Scientific Test and it will be conducted as such.

I would like to that everyone who's helped so far and I look forward to taking he JREF MDC.

Thanks
Dave

 

[Biscuit]

Though the protocol would be assisted by specific phrases and specific answers, the evidence that Dave Koenig has already provided in regard to specificity, coupled with the introduction of an entity, suggests neither are needed for his performance during the test.

Given the location and the close proximity of expired souls, would the manifestation of Jim Callahan's voice be considered proof?

What evidence has Mr. Koenig supplied? As far as I can tell he has never even done this before. He has only claimed voices will appear but not what they will say are where they come from. Being specific has not been Mr. Koenig's strong point, it took 900 plus posts for a claim.

I strongly feel that if the entity can be persuaded to answer specific questions or make specific statements that Mr. Koenig will be given just before the test you will eliminate a lot of potential trickery.

Can you elaborate on what JC's voice would have do with any of this?

 

[not daSkeptic]

I have done this experiment and think it would be a good option for him in this instance.

In the interests of assisting the Professor to develop his protocol, would you please share with us the details of the evacuated box you used in your own experiment?

 

[gdnp]

I am happy to be receiving a great deal of help from several Expert Paranormal Investigators. These combined with the Paranormal Research Groups should help provide an airtight Protocol acceptable by all! They seem very exited that I win the JREF MDC.

I am working on a very detailed protocol. It will not contain silly magicians envelopes or the newest Mentalism trick. This is a Scientific Test and it will be conducted as such.

I would like to that everyone who's helped so far and I look forward to taking he JREF MDC.

Thanks
Dave

Is there some reason you are keeping this protocol secret? It is a simple process to cut and paste from a text document into a web post. If you were to post a working draft of your protocol this would help move the process ahead. We could then make suggestions, and you could then update your protocol as you see fit and post the new draft on line. This way we would all be starting from the same point.