Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[steenkh]

Much of the possibilities for interference can be removed if the equipment is coming from a neutral source with no possibility for tampering, and if the protocol ensures that only understandable human voices on the tapes will be accepted as evidence. The idea of having a number of persons writing down what has been heard is excellent, because this removes any sort of judging.

 

[Chris H]

Would that be midnight the night of Oct 31 (which one second later converts to Nov 1), or midnight the night of Oct 30 (then all the spooky stuff can actually occur on Halloween)?

I was saving that! Alfaniner, you've gone and spoilt all my fun! But it is interesting. Kind of makes Mr Koenig's specific request to perform his stunt on Halloween seem somewhat redundant if the test will actually occur on November 1st.

Chris

 

[often mrunderstood]

David, how many people will be present at this test? I mean in total?
Not just the people directly involved, but media and spectators as well. And what kind of equipment will the media be allowed to have at the test site? I see theses as possible problems and something that your protocol may need to address.

Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

I feel this is the biggest challenge to the protocol. Based on what has been posted here, there will be a circus at The Devil's Chair. Media, a paranormal investigation team, JREF, an audience for the "show", Jim C (ok, that was never said, but I am betting on it), and not me.

My predicition; a test will never happen under these conditions.

Any chance of addressing the most obvious source of the paranormal audio? Ventriloquist? Either from you or one of your $25K per show new hires.

 

[Pogo]

Perhaps The Professor is assuming he will pass the preliminary and based on that assumption he is hoping to be the first person to take the MDC here in the USA.

However, I believe Jeff W. has stated clearly that James Randi will not attend the preliminary test earlier in this thread.

 

[The Professor]

Only the magnetic field. The others can generally be beamed.

An electromagnet could be buried in the ground.

That will just make it easier to beam stuff at it from distance.

Still, with enough effort, the listed external influences could perhaps be prevented or at least detected. But I'm afraid this would make the test very complicated and costly, so at this moment this is not the way I would recommend to pursue.

There are other, easier ways to design the test that will make these external influences irrelevant. For example, if you can command the voices not to manifest on selected recorders (perhaps by chanting another spell over the selected recorders), then a simple test can be arranged without any Faraday cages whatsoever: the recorders will be randomly put into an opaque box, and after the event, the records will be given to you. If you can determine which records are those that you ordered the voices not to manifest on, you win the million.

As you can see, with just a little more information about what the voices can do, a very simple test can be put together. What you should do now is think about - and perhaps tell us - what you can order the voices to do that will allow a simple test like that.



As they say in Russia... Don't divide the meat of a living bear.

In about three minutes I leave for the Devil's Chair. I'm not sure just how much control I have. Honestly, it is pretty much up to someone or something else as far as the degree of co-operation isn't it, unless I can get a Zombie to arise or something funny like that And I'm not trying that just yet.

I think that getting the voices to manifest themselves is quite sufficient to show an unexplainable Paranormal event.

The Russians are a cleaver people

 

[chillzero]

Please stop begging the question. My goal is to be the first person in the USA to be tested for THE REAL MILLION DOLLARS WITH A REAL PARANORMAL TEST.

No. I'm not begging any question - I am in fact following your negotiations here quite closely:

Mr. Koenig requested that we use the 10/31/08 demonstration as his final Challenge test rather than the preliminary. That request has been denied.

and the last time ever this was commented on by Jeff Wagg:

That would happen after the final challenge. We're still discussing the preliminary.

 

[often mrunderstood]

In about three minutes I leave for the Devil's Chair.

Will you be attempting to produce the "voices" while you are there? If so, posting a video of it could would really speed the protocol along. Especially if you received answers.

Like others have mentioned, it would be foolish and a huge waste of time if you had never been able to accomplish this before.

No test will happen. Publicity stunt all the way.

 

[xinit]

Plus you are reading the wrong claim

You're confusing CLAIM with PROTOCOL.

 

[xinit]

For protocol, if we want to prevent any problems with direct interference from the test subject, we can simply move the recording equipment and mics out of reach. Using a boom mic over head, a parabolic mic at a distance, and running wire from the mic to a remote media would be a good start.

Run the mics to a panel and from the panel run to a couple different recording devices. If the 'voices' are coming in at the mic, they're going to be caught on each medium.

Screw the Faraday cage; move the electronics and recording devices out of the range of trickery.

That, a strip search, and a sweep by bug detection systems would be a start.

 

[jimtron]

Dave, I'm glad you finally made your claim.

Could you tell us about your past success making contact, which you mentioned earlier in the forum?

TP said:

In about three minutes I leave for the Devil's Chair. I'm not sure just how much control I have. Honestly, it is pretty much up to someone or something else as far as the degree of co-operation isn't it, unless I can get a Zombie to arise or something funny like that And I'm not trying that just yet.

I think that getting the voices to manifest themselves is quite sufficient to show an unexplainable Paranormal event.

Dave, do you have control over the voices? What do you think the chances are that you can "get the voices to manifest themselves" on the test date?

Also: can you do this at another location, on another date? The location sounds quite problematic. If not, why not?

 

[Czarcasm]

I ask the moderators of this forum and The Professor, is it antagonistic to inquire as to whether The Professor as requested permission from the authorities to bring a faraday cage and other assorted electronic items to The Devil's Chair to perform a test in front of a number of observers on that date and time? There is a distict difference between this, and a request to just "visit" The Devil's Chair between the hours of 7am and 7pm.
Also, is it antagonistic to ask The Professor to confirm in his own words that he accepts that James Randi is not required to be at this preliminary test if it happens, and that this is indeed only a preliminary test?

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I feel sorry (and a lot of admiration, and sympathy) for the energy Jeff is going to have to put into this, only to have it fall apart after what may be several months.

Why would that be?

Because it seems apparent to anyone with common sense that you are not negotiating in good faith. The examples in this thread seem well in the double digits.

And because applicants displaying your behaviour never proceeded to a test. They all burned out or faded away.



Your lack of accountability spills over even into your negotiations with the JREF. And if USD1,000,000 provide insufficient motivation for you to have an intellectually honest - and fair, remember? - discussion, what will?

Good day, The Professor.

 

[Azrael 5]

*snip*

No test will happen. Publicity stunt all the way.

Absolutely right.It is nothing but.Sadly the JREF let themselves open to this by flexing the rules on an academic/media.How can someone who has never performed a paranormal feat ever,get approved to apply? As such I have started a thread here :
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4076231#post4076231

What happened to the team of writer's Dave F Koenig,and the people who we "wouldn't believe who are helping me" and Uri Gellar and Callahan(who had to grovel an apology)?
All these people and you still cannot state a protocol.

 

[Moochie]

Maybe I'll be post #1000?

Missed it by thaaat much!


M.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

If you'd like to comment on the positive aspects of the JREF and the MDC you will have your chance tomorrow night. I will be speaking about "THE GOOD THINGS" concerning the JREF MDC since it is looking pretty good that I may be the first person in the USA to actually get a shot at the Million. I'm stoked!

There have been many many tests of people in the US. Rosemary Hunter was just last year.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

I'm sorry but you seem to be speaking for James Randi himself. Is there a reason for this? Do you have the authority to say that he "can't" show up?


Plus you are reading the wrong claim

As I've said before, Randi will not be there. And I do have the authority to say that.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

Absolutely NO ONE has been tested in the USA with the Million Dollars on the line. NO ONE ... I'm not talking about any Preliminary testing ... I'm talking about the REAL THING. The real test with the million dollars at risk!

That is what intrigues me about the possibility of being the very first!

You have the same shot as everyone else. And to be clear, you will be required to pass the preliminary test.

 

[Pantaz]

Is anybody keeping track of all the equipment Mr. Koenig is requesting, and how much it is going to cost? (I know the claimant is responsible for the cost. I'm also curious if HE is aware of the running total.)

 

[Pantaz]

If you'd like to comment on the positive aspects of the JREF and the MDC you will have your chance tomorrow night. I will be speaking about "THE GOOD THINGS" concerning the JREF MDC since it is looking pretty good that I may be the first person in the USA to actually get a shot at the Million. I'm stoked!

Well, he got his publicity. Mission accomplished!

 

[gdnp]

Is anybody keeping track of all the equipment Mr. Koenig is requesting, and how much it is going to cost? (I know the claimant is responsible for the cost. I'm also curious if HE is aware of the running total.)

Especially with the $25000 payments he is willing to hand out to those who help him if he wins. I'd be willing to trade it for a $25 payment if he fails.