Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[remirol]

This is a very testable claim

What claim? What can you do that's paranormal, exactly?

 

[The Professor]

One small caveat: A Faraday cage will not guard against light transmission -- it is very easy to send & receive data with light, including UV (ultraviolet) and IR (infrared). A television remote control is probably the most common example.

This device does!

 

[Azrael 5]

Jeff ... You are stuck with YOUR OWN DEFINITION of PARANORMAL!
Now you try to waffle out of it!
But I'm not letting you.
IF IT'S NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE THEN IT'S PARANORMAL ... And I win!

If you have a scientific explanation for the results then you win. If you don't then I DO!

No judging involved!

YOU are obligated to show this scientific explanation if that is how you want to disprove what has happened.

It is inherent in the word UNEXPLAINABLE as in SCIENTIFICALLY UNEXPLAINABLE.

You must stick with your definition and not ignore it.

Yes or no.Do you have a paranormal ability in keeping with the accepted definition of the word in common usage.Paranormal/Supernatural outside of science.
You claimed a few days ago you and you're crack team of writers were close to finalizing a claim,now you say this is your own work.Admit it you're writer was Raymond Hill wasn't it?

I make it 2 days left.Run Slim Run.

 

[Moochie]

No. It is my work. The writers insist this is a SHAM just like many many others are declaring on video and live! The light is shining into the dark place and it is revealing the MDC for the SHAM that others are calling it!

TP, you seem to spending almost 100% of your bandwidth

Edited by chillzero: 

Edit for appropriateness - moderated thread)

Mr. Randi and the JREF, and by extension most of the members here. If you're not going to make an actual claim, perhaps you could (in new thread) explain what your problem with us (and skeptics in general) is. Personally, I'm mystified as to why you're here. Correction, I'm flummoxed as to why you're anywhere.


M.

 

[xinit]

Although several Paid Professional Writers do NOT believe that the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge

Several doctors do NOT believe that Paris exists. So? Paid Professional Writers, Wrestlers, or Whalers' are hardly experts or even knowledgeable on what does or does not constitute scientific testing.

 

[jenski]

No. It is my work. The writers insist this is a SHAM just like many many others are declaring on video and live! The light is shining into the dark place and it is revealing the MDC for the SHAM that others are calling it!

I'm glad they feel that way. No really.

It doesn't change the facts about the MDC. I in no way represent the JREF, I've only been lurking here for four years. In that time, I've read the challenges carefully and the JREF responses.

In the (currently) 18 pages so far, I have not seen anything remotely close to a claim. I have seen quibbling over definitions. There has been posturing and allegations of discrimination but frankly, having read the applications over the years, I see nothing of the sort. You are the one who initially put a time limit on your claim. Had you closely followed the previous applications, you would see that you don't apply one day and expect to be tested the next. They also need time for preparations. What preparations you ask? Read the other applications that are in current negotiations or were previously processed.

There are many many other skeptical organizations who offer similar challenges. If you feel you are being treated unfairly, you are certainly welcome to apply for those other challenges...IN ADDITION to this one. That way, you can easily showcase both your ability (whatever that may be) and the supposed crookedness of the MDC.

However, the other organizations are not nearly so well known and do not bring the same...free publicity. I'm sure though that publicity is not your main intent...

Have a nice day.

 

[PingOfPong]

Has anyone ruled out the possibility of ultra-sonic trickery?

Any audio recorder will have some amplifiers. The amps can be non-ideal little beasts sometimes. Specifically, a poor amplifier has second order harmonics that could demodulate an ultra-sonic signal into hearing range. The resulting sound would be weak in volume but it would be there. I don't know first hand how succesful such a trick could be but I suspect that with a little experimentation one could perfect a technique of trickery for any recorder.

This is likely a moot point anyway. I don't foresee Mr. Professor coming up with any claim that is acceptable JREF's posted rules.

BTW Professor, I've bee looking over Hans Otto's EVP machine. It's very interesting!

 

[chran]

Originally Posted by Pantaz
One small caveat: A Faraday cage will not guard against light transmission -- it is very easy to send & receive data with light, including UV (ultraviolet) and IR (infrared). A television remote control is probably the most common example.

This device does!

Ok, so you've changed the properties of the most important piece of equipment there, ad hoc? On the basis of a forum poster no less.

Why, then, are you suggesting the rest of the negotiations take place per e-mail? Are your complaints about the challenge ad hoc, as well?

Duer ikke, væk!

 

[eirik]

my first post on this forum, but i've been reading it frequently for a year or so. this "claim" is definitly going in for a crash landing

why is it that all claimants are disregarding the stated rules with childish semantics? It gets boring.

TP: "IF IT'S NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE THEN IT'S PARANORMAL"

So you must think all sorts of cancer and all sorts of deceases and psychological phenomenons that yet lacks a scientific explanation are paranormal?

And btw: STATE YOUR CLAIM

 

[xinit]

If any evidence is found on the tapes or digital recordings that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE it will be considered a successful test of the Paranormal.

So we see a face in the static recorded on the video recorder or hear some noise on the audio tape from a feedback loop or from simple amplified white noise.

Pattern recognition of voices and faces in white noise IS scientifically explainable quite easily; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia.

"describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon, and hidden messages on records played in reverse."​

How are you going to prevent this 'event' from being scientifically explained?

Oh, and you mentioned in an earlier post that you would consider "spooky sounds" on the tape as a success. Define "spooky"

 

[Pogo]

This device does!

What device? Are the plans for the cage you refer to online anywhere for us to study?

 

[jimtron]

If any evidence is found on the tapes or digital recordings that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE it will be considered a successful test of the Paranormal.

Like what? Tell us what will be there. If there's some kind of blip or ghost shape or spooky voice or whatever, those things ARE scientifically explainable. You mentioned that many electronic devices will be in play. Obviously there are many ways to sneak sounds and images into the recording; scientifically explainable methods. The MDC isn't a puzzle where you get a voice on a tape recorder and if the JREF can't scientifically explain it you get a million bucks.

What is the paranormal claim?

Dave, if you want to prove that the MDC is bogus, why don't you follow the rules and apply, and if you don't get the million, you can tell the world. You haven't followed the rules, which state that you must clearly define your paranormal claim, which must be self-evident and not require judgment.
If you don't like the rules, then forget about the Challenge.You can continue to nitpick and point fingers, or you could just carefully follow the rules and apply--your choice.

 

[The Professor]

Has anyone ruled out the possibility of ultra-sonic trickery?

Any audio recorder will have some amplifiers. The amps can be non-ideal little beasts sometimes. Specifically, a poor amplifier has second order harmonics that could demodulate an ultra-sonic signal into hearing range. The resulting sound would be weak in volume but it would be there. I don't know first hand how succesful such a trick could be but I suspect that with a little experimentation one could perfect a technique of trickery for any recorder.

This is likely a moot point anyway. I don't foresee Mr. Professor coming up with any claim that is acceptable JREF's posted rules.

BTW Professor, I've bee looking over Hans Otto's EVP machine. It's very interesting!

Yes it is!
Do you feel that making voices "appear' on a clean protected and untouched tape as EVER being accepted by the JREF?

 

[Jeff Wagg]

Jeff
I have not emailed you my completed claim as we are to negotiate this on email as instructed. So until I email you my "Official" claim, anything on this Forum is conjecture. Not legal in any way I would think. Me giving these guys a "Sneak peak" is not official in any way!
You are breaking your own rules if you expect me to negotiate this in your "Sea Of Closed Minded Sharks".
After all Jeff, YOU are Paid to reject challenges just as an insurance adjuster is "Paid" to get out of Paying Anything!

If you have evidence to back up that claim, I'd like to see it. I am paid to administer the challenge, with specific instructions to be fair.

How can Randi give me his PERSONAL CHECK without signing it? Why would someone want to receive a Personal Check that was not made out in PERSON!
Randi clearly says the He will present a personal check for $10,000 that he has in his wallet.

That would happen after the final challenge. We're still discussing the preliminary.

We still do not have your claim. I have to ask you to please stop wasting my time and give us your claim via e-mail. If you have any question as to what a claim is, please let me know.

 

[remirol]

Do you feel that making voices "appear' on a clean protected and untouched tape as EVER being accepted by the JREF?

That depends. Is this your claim?

 

[Azrael 5]

If we rule out Devil's Chair(as it's just an urban legend no scientific evidence of any sheenanigans)and Halloween(again it's history will show nothing supernatural,nor any evidence of any paranormal happenings anywhere on this day ever)then we are left with you claiming to be able to summon spirits/entities etc.
As far as I know you have no prior evidence of being able to do this or any other paranormal act,so what leads you to the conclusion in September 2008 ,that you can do this sufficiently to win a million dollars.
To fail big time(with tv cameras and an audience present) and have nasty skeptics laugh at you would be embarassing I would think.
Please Im genuinely curious,what leads you to the conclusion you can do this?

As I wrote prior I wouldn't apply for the Olympics without knowing I had a degree of professional athleticism.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

Jeff ... You are stuck with YOUR OWN DEFINITION of PARANORMAL!
Now you try to waffle out of it!
But I'm not letting you.
IF IT'S NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE THEN IT'S PARANORMAL ... And I win!

If you have a scientific explanation for the results then you win. If you don't then I DO!

No judging involved!

YOU are obligated to show this scientific explanation if that is how you want to disprove what has happened.

It is inherent in the word UNEXPLAINABLE as in SCIENTIFICALLY UNEXPLAINABLE.

You must stick with your definition and not ignore it.

I'm sorry, but you misunderstand. I've asked you to clarify your understanding, and you have yet to do so.

Please respond to the questions I've asked regarding this.

I shall try one more time. A voice is heard on the recorder. Someone says, "Oh, it malfunctioned." What is your response to this?

 

[Robaato]

How can Randi give me his PERSONAL CHECK without signing it? Why would someone want to receive a Personal Check that was not made out in PERSON!
Randi clearly says the He will present a personal check for $10,000 that he has in his wallet.

Y'know, that check would be given at the successful conclusion of a FINAL test, not the preliminary test -- which, in case you missed it, is NOT being waived in your case.

So, Randi won't be at the preliminary test. If you manage to succeed in whatever it is that you think you're claiming to do, I suspect he will attend your final test.

Exactly what paranormal ability are you claiming that you can do?

 

[Personal Grudge]

Yes it is!
Do you feel that making voices "appear' on a clean protected and untouched tape as EVER being accepted by the JREF?

I think that "making voices "appear" on a clean protected and untouched tape" would probably be accepted by the JREF if you could provide objective evidence that this occurred as a result of a paranormal event. Playing a voice on a recording and saying "Prove to me that this is NOT paranormal" is not the same as providing objective evidence.

 

[The Professor]

Can you narrow down your long diatribe into an actual claim of the paranormal happening?
I got 'You sit on the chair, and you say this thing, and then _something_ will happen. And it'll be paranormal'.

That's not really a claim. What's the 'something'?

That "Something will NOT BE SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE ... That's what.
It will be Paranormal.
Is an understandable voice subjective?
If it is then I can argue against anything that involves human language.
I can just call it subjective since Great Aunt Hilda may ask WHAT? I Don't understand, with her hearing aid on the night stand.


"Something" where there is supposed to be "Nothing" is Paranormal by definition. It can not be scientifically explained.