Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[The Professor]

Then I suggest that you avoid this forum at all costs in the next few days, and actually develop a protocol, and deliver it, rather than "wasting" your precious time in responding to off topic posts.

Unless of course you consider grandstanding part of your proposed protocol, which you say you already have anyway.

BTW, what happened to your new improved protocol where your professional writer fixed up your "application" that you said was ready to be sent to JREF a couple of days ago? (Rhetorical question - I think every normal person already knows the answer.)

It's nice to have this all on the public record, including your own attempts on other threads to waste your own time, waste other people's time, and disrupt the very process which you claim to be trying to follow.

Norm

The writers are not in total agreement and unless you've been on a Sea Cruise or something, Alison Michelle Smith, is now off the case, and we are beginning new negotiations with Jeffrey Wagg.

 

[The Professor]

Raymond Hill is an "entity" who Jim Callahan claims can communicate with him. It's a supernatural claim. One that could easily be tested, in fact, should Jim ever decide to apply.

To bring things back to bear, have you established your claim yet? We're still under the restrictions of your timetable.

I'm sorry but YOU set up this Timetable. Attempting to make it impossible in my way of thinking.

I thought that you may try to dodge me here so I did take some steps that will solve your problem of volunteers that require a month to get and allow more time for negotiations.

Over a month ago I contacted over a Dozen Paranormal Research groups
with this email.
We will have plenty of skeptical volunteers! So I ask again that you remove the time sipulation that you've imposed.

Sent August 19th

Hi
I'm David Koenig. I am a performing Mentalist, both live and frequently on radio shows. In the past few weeks, I have been featured as a guest, performing as Professor Slim King, on the following shows: The Ghostman and Demon Hunter show, Shadows in the Dark and Pangea's World of Weird. The listening audience as well as myself, had a great time!

Although Mentalism is widely considered an ancient performing art, I also involve myself in serious paranormal and supernatural events. I have always felt that I could duplicate something done in 1983 by a fellow Koenig on Europe's largest radio station Radio Luxembourg!
After moving to Florida I discovered the Devil's Chair to be a true portal to the spirit world as claimed by many others over the years. Therefore, I have applied to the The James Randi Educational Foundation in order to take their advertised "Million Dollar Challenge" with the goal of simply "making contact."
I would be more than happy to award each paranormal research group a $25,000 scholarship, or whatever the government leaves us and provided we win the challenge, for assisting in the planned demonstration. With everyone's help this has the potential for becoming the largest paranormal investigation in history and this is why I am extending an invitation to you to be a part of it.
The first investigation/demonstration will take place on October 31, 2008, Halloween. We should expect ample media exposure for all!The Ghostman and Demon Hunter Show, based in Indiana, are the first to commit their support. I hope you will join in on the fun!
If you are interested, or have questions, or need additional information, please do not hesitate to email or call me.
Thanks
Dave


With a $25,000 incentive we have plenty of volunteers!
Anyone here on the JREF can also participate if interested in helping and are already involved in a Paranormal Research Group.

I feel this time restriction is discriminatory.

 

[IMST]

I'm sorry but YOU set up this Timetable.

Let's examine this claim

The first investigation/demonstration will take place on October 31, 2008, Halloween.

Look! A timetable!

With a $25,000 incentive we have plenty of volunteers!

Each with 25,000 reasons to help you cheat.

I feel this time restriction is discriminatory.

I feel your timetable was set to help you cheat.

 

[The Professor]

LL
I will be getting around to an improved mentally visual description of what will take place.
I will answer this one


Quote:
6) After 27 minutes the recording equipment will be shut off.

Why 27 minutes?


I've left time for a commercial or two.

 

[e-sabbath]

Professor, I'm still waiting for the full story. You still have yet to explain why you think anything paranormal will occur at all.

 

[The Professor]

I have never ran any great distance-occasionally for a bus-so I wouldn't apply to take part in the Olympics 100 metres. Tehrefore I'd love to know why,considering no prior experience in contacting entities at Devil's Chair how you Professor think you can do this.

Also whilst you stall over other questions I ask again why you have not applied for any of the worldwide challenges I linked earlier which allow you to skip the preliminary test for MDC.Something which you requested.

Thanks Harry

You are on to something here! Please make a list of the nearest 12 and I will contact them ASAP!!!! I Promise!

 

[The Professor]

Hi Dave:

Would you please tell us more about the paranormal aspect of the voice that will be recorded? If we know more about it, perhaps we can come up with suggestions on how to show that it is indeed paranormal. I feel silly asking again, as I've asked already so many times on this thread--but I'll try again. Where does the voice come from? How do you know it's paranormal? Does it come from a dead person? Why are you avoiding talking about the paranormal aspect of this?

- Jim

I understand your frustration here Jim. I also feel it.
The catch 22 seems to BE the word Paranormal.

When I use the Definition given by the JREF as acceptable.....


2.2 What is the definition of “paranormal” in regards to the Challenge?

Webster’s Online Dictionary defines “paranormal” as “not scientifically explainable; supernatural.”

Within the Challenge, this means that at the time your application is submitted and approved, your claim will be considered paranormal for the duration. If, after testing, it is decided that your ability is either scientifically explainable or will be someday, you needn’t worry. If the JREF has agreed to test you, then your claim is paranormal.

Now Jeff Wagg is asking what "Scientifically" really means.

Do you see the perpetual motion machine here? I'm sure you do.

All you have to do is keep asking for a definition of the last word. Very clever, but not fair.

 

[Czarcasm]

You expect to get plenty of skeptical volunteers from contacting "Paranormal research groups"?? Riiight!

I see that, despite many requests to the contrary, you are concentrating your efforts on turning this into a media circus, instead of concentrating of your protocol.
And you are correct[/i]-this time restriction is discriminatory. You should never have announced the time of place of the attempt before submitting your application to the JREF. It gave them little time to negotiate the protocol with you, especially since you went on a trip right after the announcement which cut the time even more.

 

[chran]

The writers are not in total agreement and unless you've been on a Sea Cruise or something, Alison Michelle Smith, is now off the case, and we are beginning new negotiations with Jeffrey Wagg.

Oh, so now there are more than one writer?

And new negotiations? Wow, you sure are making sure this test will fail, huh?

 

[The Professor]

Professor, I'm still waiting for the full story. You still have yet to explain why you think anything paranormal will occur at all.

Again! The JREF must stand behind it's own definition of Paranormal and not beg the question!

If the JREF waffles on it's own definition, then how can ANYONE demonstrate the Paranormal?

 

[The Professor]

I would like to keep everyone up to date so I'm posting this most recent email.
As you see there are quite a few problems here!

Jeff Wagg, James Randi Educational Foundation to me
show details Sep 20 (1 day ago)

Reply

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Koenig
<floridajakeblues@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Jeff for stepping in at this late date. I appreciate it.
> I am looking forward to a fair and successful test!
> I tried to call you at the JREF before closing but they said that you were
> gone. Shaun was the nice fellow who answered the phone.

I do not live in Florida, so I'm only rarely at the office.

> I am emailing you as instructed.
> I was wondering about a recent Youtube video in which you stated that you
> knew who David Koenig was. Have we met? Have you seen a performance?
> I don't recall meeting you so perhaps you just associated me with Jim
> Callahan for some reason, since that was what you said.
> I've only met Jim four times and I guess someone could assume we are friends
> but that is not always the case. As I've said we've only met a few times.
> I don't want your feelings about Mr. Callahan to spill over into this
> procedure. That isn't a problem is it?

I know you only from your application. Despite Jim Callahan's
assertions to the contrary, we knew you had applied, and answered the
young man at Dragon*Con to that effect. Randi did not know you had
applied as he only gets involved at the very end of a challenge. Mr.
Callahan has been very dishonest as regards the JREF, and has been
very loud despite his unwillingness to take the challenge. None of
this will have an impact on our negotiations.

> You seemed a little steamed on the video and that may be understandable but
> I don't want my situation to be diminished by it, if you understand.
> I hope you will reconsider loosening the time constraints that you've placed
> on the procedure. It may have made the situation impossible to accomplish.
> In order to expedite the clarification, what do you consider to be the very
> first thing that I need to do to move along with this claim?

That date thing is difficult because you are limiting us to October
31st. We are simply running out of time. If you want to postpone the
test until October 31st, 2009.. or another date of our mutual
agreement, that's fine. We will need at least a month to prepare for
the challenge, as we need to find volunteers and coordinate, etc.

The first thing I need is for you to clearly state your claimed
ability and under what conditions you can perform this ability.
Normally we'd ask for an accuracy rating, but I don't think that
applies here.

> I did ask a few question of you on the forum also if you'd care to answer
> those.
> I'll attempt to comply as much as possible and put this in high gear, but
> please remember I'm a newlywed, and I want to stay married.

This shouldn't take too much time at all, actually. I also want you to
stay married.

> Thanks for your time and I await your response
> Dave

Thank you,

Jeff Wagg
JREF

 

[e-sabbath]

That's what we're all waiting for, Professor. State your claimed ability and under what conditions you can perform it. We've got approximations of your ability, but they all seem to be 'I will sit on a chair, and then something will happen.'

It's great you feel so confident about this. I wish you the best of luck. Or, really, no luck at all, since you won't need it.

But your claim, even to the common eye, is lacking a lot of specificity. You mention a lot of names, like Houdini, and a place, and a date and time. But not exactly why you think any of it will work.

I am entirely sure you are not delusional. But you sure sound like some of the more delusional sorts who apply, and have no sense of logic or proportion.

I know you are not that sort, because you can speak reasonably and rationally. Those sorts never do. But the closer you approximate the subject of your claim, the less sense you make, and the less specific you get. You promise, and promise, and promise, and never deliver.

Why, you sound almost like a politician.

 

[The Professor]

Here is my most recent response to Jeff Wagg.
As you can see the negotiations are continuing!

David Koenig to jeff
show details 1:54 PM (2 minutes ago)

Reply

Jeff

You said ...

I know you only from your application. Despite Jim Callahan's
assertions to the contrary, we knew you had applied, and answered the
young man at Dragon*Con to that effect. Randi did not know you had
applied as he only gets involved at the very end of a challenge. Mr.
Callahan has been very dishonest as regards the JREF, and has been
very loud despite his unwillingness to take the challenge. None of
this will have an impact on our negotiations.
---------------------------------------------

If you only know me from my application, then how is it you say "We know who Dave Koenig is. He's a friend of Jim Callahan."?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0
Jim Callahan or our friendship was NOT mentioned at ALL on my application!
You claim here that Jim Callahan is dishonest but your very statement about me seems based on deception.

If it is standard procedure for Randi "Not to know" then he should have said just that! "I don't Know. Or "I'm not sure" Or "It's not my job"...
But he Emphatically says "HE HAS NOT APPLIED" and that is NOT THE TRUTH!

To further this problem, even after he is corrected by Alison Smith, he continues to make the false claim both over the phone and on an Itricks podcast AFTER the aplication is officially posted on the JREF Forum! (And AFTER he was corrected by Alison)

Please explain how the Leader of the JREF saying it's a "Pack of Lies" does not effect how I'm treated here?

I also need the Bottom Line Official definition of Paranormal.

Thanks
Dave

I will be going over the rest of the email after Church.
- Show quoted text -

 

[Azrael 5]

Thanks Harry

You are on to something here! Please make a list of the nearest 12 and I will contact them ASAP!!!! I Promise!

Scroll up the thread the details are there.Also prove your statement that Devil's Chair is a portal.I see no evidence.

 

[Azrael 5]

Here is my most recent response to Jeff Wagg.
As you can see the negotiations are continuing!

David Koenig to jeff
show details 1:54 PM (2 minutes ago)

Reply

Jeff

You said ...

I know you only from your application. Despite Jim Callahan's
assertions to the contrary, we knew you had applied, and answered the
young man at Dragon*Con to that effect. Randi did not know you had
applied as he only gets involved at the very end of a challenge. Mr.
Callahan has been very dishonest as regards the JREF, and has been
very loud despite his unwillingness to take the challenge. None of
this will have an impact on our negotiations.
---------------------------------------------

If you only know me from my application, then how is it you say "We know who Dave Koenig is. He's a friend of Jim Callahan."?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0
Jim Callahan or our friendship was NOT mentioned at ALL on my application!
You claim here that Jim Callahan is dishonest but your very statement about me seems based on deception.

If it is standard procedure for Randi "Not to know" then he should have said just that! "I don't Know. Or "I'm not sure" Or "It's not my job"...
But he Emphatically says "HE HAS NOT APPLIED" and that is NOT THE TRUTH!

Irrelevant.How James Randi chooses to phrase things isn't important.

To further this problem, even after he is corrected by Alison Smith, he continues to make the false claim both over the phone and on an Itricks podcast AFTER the aplication is officially posted on the JREF Forum! (And AFTER he was corrected by Alison)

Please explain how the Leader of the JREF saying it's a "Pack of Lies" does not effect how I'm treated here?

Because it is irrelevant.No one judges,so no-one is bias,which I believe is what you are claiming.

I also need the Bottom Line Official definition of Paranormal

Thanks
Dave

You applied,so ergo you must assume you have a paranormal ability.You have stated you will contact entites via a portal[to another dimension]to me that seems paranormal.Again YOU state your claim,stop wriggling Dave Koenig,you have got 5 days get a move on.

 

[Doubt]

Here is my most recent response to Jeff Wagg.
As you can see the negotiations are continuing!

There are no negotiations going on here. All there is, is you stalling and not submitting a protocol.

I predict an unacceptable protocol will be sent to Jeff on either the 25th or 26 that will not be acceptable. There will be no time left on the deadline and that is exactly what the professor is aiming for.

He will then ignore the offer to be tested in 2009 and claim that the JREF refused to test him.

 

[Pogo]

The ability to make posts in an attempt to start pointless arguments on this forum is not a paranormal ability. If it were, The Professor would have a good shot at the million.

When The Professor finally proclaims that the JREF stonewalled him and ran away from his challenge, the evidence of his lie will be here, on this public forum, for all to see.

Unfortunately, those who are predisposed to believe the Professor's false accusations will never read this. And it's clear that the Professor knows this.

Do people who rely on the deception of others (excluding magicans) to accomplish their goals not ever see the weakness of their moral position in these situations, and in their lives in general?

I don't know what kind of church the Professor attended today, but it would be ironic if the sermon was about dishonesty and its consequences.

 

[chran]

Here is my most recent response to Jeff Wagg.
As you can see the negotiations are continuing!

That's actually not a negotiation.

All the stuff from DragonCon is irrelevant to the point of you coming up with a valid claim

 

[PingOfPong]

I'm sorry if this point has already been raised.

If I'm reading this right. Prof's claim is that he can ask questions and receive coherent answers from the dead. Could the dead name the contents of a sealed envelope? Even if none of us could understand the EVP recording, all that the prof would need to do is correctly identify what's in the envelope. So, what of it Prof? Could you do that or something similar?

I have to say that if you can't do anything but produce 'spooky sounds' then I remain unimpressed.

 

[Azrael 5]

How long before Jeff Wagg is asked to step down and James Randi insisted upon dealing with the claim?
Is The Prof working is way through the entire claim staff?
PingOf Pong I believe your question has been asked before,I doubt we got an answer.The ratio of answers Vs questions is ridiculously low.

What time is church out? I can't wait for the next instalment from David Koenig.