Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[Mojo]

Question: Has the JREF ever placed any applicants on these strict time constraints before? Yes or No.

I don't know. On the other hand, I don't remember any applicant attempting to impose strict time constraints on the JREF, before you.

 

[Azrael 5]

As I sat reading the last two or three pages of this thread, I kept getting angrier and angrier. It is clear to me that things are going exactly as David and Jim planned from the beginning. When Jeff said to David, "the ball is in your court," he had no idea the irony he had writ. The ball has been in David's court from his very first post. The ball has never left David's court. He is playing a game of his own. The JREF is not a teammate, nor an opponent, but a spectator, and the Million Dollar Challenge is not the goal, merely a piece of the equipment.

David Koenig is using the JREF, and all of the forumites who have posted in this thread, for his own private purposes. He will never be tested. He has never had any intention of being tested. This is all just a charade leading to David's public announcement that the JREF refused to test him. He will make that annoucement, exactly as he originally planned, at The Devil's Chair on Halloween night, before his adoring public (which is how he will refer to the several dozen random spiritualists who came out to the cemetery that evening, with no prior knowledge that David would be there), and the media (the one reporter from the local paper he could get to follow him out there) . By early November first, the Internets will be rife with dozens of new blog posts claiming the Million Dollar Challenge is a scam (some of them may even be written by people other than David Koenig or Jim Callaghan). And David and Jim will be sitting back, sipping champagne, and laughing at us.

The sad thing is..The Professor doesn't realise we all knew this on the first page(coming from Magic Cafe I knew this before first page!)

 

[Thabiguy]

The Professor,

if you are interested in taking the Challenge, I urge you again to answer the questions asked by Coveredinbeeees in this post. Answering these questions will let you move along.

If you do not answer those questions (which only makes sense if you're not actually interested in taking the Challenge), answer at least this question: "Will the voices you intend to produce be audible or will they simply appear upon the recording media, detectable only upon playback?"

You must understand that in order to have your claim tested, you must be willing to provide information about it.

Also, you said you had asked another person to help you and join this forum thread. Your helper didn't come, and although you repeatedly said they were done or almost done updating your claim, you have not yet posted any, even partial, result of their work. Can you do that now? If not, why?

 

[RoboTimbo]

It's clear that there is simply not enough time to agree a test protocol and gather the necessary equipment by 31st October 2008.

There has been plenty of time. Loss Leader has suggested a claim and a protocol that would serve admirably. Coveredinbees has suggested a claim and a protocol that would serve admirably.

There's still plenty of time. The Professor just needs to use the suggested claims and protocols and we can get this show (yes, it's a show) on the road.

Of course, that assumes that The Professor believes he has a paranormal abiltiy to test.

The Professor, you do have a paranormal ability, right? Right?

(cricket, cricket)

If he can't come up with even a claim, I'm calling shenanigans.

 

[RoboTimbo]

The Professor, I'll offer you this. Everyone on this board is on your side. Everyone here thinks you have a wonderful gift of a paranormal ability. We're trying to come up with a claim that makes sense for you and a protocol that rules out every other possible explanation except a paranormal one. Just so we can prove to the world that you do have said paranormal ability. That's why we're trying to rule out trickery, magicky gimmicks, and charlatanism. Just think how that would turn out if you had landed on a credulous forum instead of a critical thinking one!

I hope you understand the value of that and appreciate it. Sometimes it seems like you don't.

I genuinely hope you and JREF can arrive at a satisfactory conclusion that will allow you demonstrate the real paranormal ability you have.

 

[Moochie]

I thought it was plain from the beginning.

I like to give people the benefit of a doubt. Who knows, maybe they do have something to show. I certainly would love to see something that's never been seen before -- something all our knowledge of the world to date says couldn't happen. But we (most of us, at least) are skeptics, and we temper our enthusiasm for wanting to witness the seemingly impossible with one eye firmly on the lookout for trickery and deception. Unfortunately, this is sometimes perceived as cynicism, especially by those who prefer to believe in things for which there is no evidence.

M.

 

[e-sabbath]

Actually, I have heard Randi discuss something he saw at MIT that would be an excellent way of doing it. The method could be done so that nobody could hear it and it would penetrate a Faraday cage. And there is a good chance that nobody would hear it. unless they were next to the recorder.
However, I don't think the equipment is commercially available.

I could do it with 1940s tech, given the description of the area. I could do it a different way with 1960s tech, a different way with 1990s tech, and a completely different way with 200X tech.

Faraday cages are not an answer to everything.

 

[The Professor]

Couldn't your friend Raymond Hill do it?

Jeff
I am extremely disappointed in your attempt to take this thread off topic. You should know the rules better than anyone else, and with the time limitation you've placed on me I see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

What does Raymond Hill have to do with My Claim?

Absolutely Nothing!

 

[Jeff Wagg]

Jeff
I am extremely disappointed in your attempt to take this thread off topic. You should know the rules better than anyone else, and with the time limitation you've placed on me I see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

What does Raymond Hill have to do with My Claim?

Absolutely Nothing!

Raymond Hill is an "entity" who Jim Callahan claims can communicate with him. It's a supernatural claim. One that could easily be tested, in fact, should Jim ever decide to apply.

To bring things back to bear, have you established your claim yet? We're still under the restrictions of your timetable.

 

[Kuko 4000]

I want to give my full respect to Jeff Wagg and others for staying cool with all this. Much of this thread just makes me sad. It's just so INCREDIBLY EASY to dodge and use good people. Uhh...

 

[jimtron]

Hi Dave:

Would you please tell us more about the paranormal aspect of the voice that will be recorded? If we know more about it, perhaps we can come up with suggestions on how to show that it is indeed paranormal. I feel silly asking again, as I've asked already so many times on this thread--but I'll try again. Where does the voice come from? How do you know it's paranormal? Does it come from a dead person? Why are you avoiding talking about the paranormal aspect of this?

- Jim

 

[Pogo]

Jeff
I am extremely disappointed in your attempt to take this thread off topic. You should know the rules better than anyone else, and with the time limitation you've placed on me I see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

What does Raymond Hill have to do with My Claim?

Absolutely Nothing!

Say what? How does Jeff replying to Jim Callahan's post impact your ability to submit your claim?

 

[fromdownunder]

Jeff
I am extremely disappointed in your attempt to take this thread off topic. You should know the rules better than anyone else, and with the time limitation you've placed on me I see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

Then I suggest that you avoid this forum at all costs in the next few days, and actually develop a protocol, and deliver it, rather than "wasting" your precious time in responding to off topic posts.

Unless of course you consider grandstanding part of your proposed protocol, which you say you already have anyway.

BTW, what happened to your new improved protocol where your professional writer fixed up your "application" that you said was ready to be sent to JREF a couple of days ago? (Rhetorical question - I think every normal person already knows the answer.)

It's nice to have this all on the public record, including your own attempts on other threads to waste your own time, waste other people's time, and disrupt the very process which you claim to be trying to follow.

Norm

 

[gdnp]

I don't see any way that this can move forward until the Professor answers the very simple and direct question Jeff Wagg asked in post 513:

Most important.. please state in simple terms what your claim is, without protocol. What can and can't you do with this ability to record paranormal voices?

Until this question is answered, all other discussion (timetables, faraday cages, recorders, etc.) is pointless.

Professor, in simple terms, what is your paranormal claim?

 

[yairhol]

I find it amazing that a person who is so absolutely sure that he's going to win a million dollars would stall so much time up to the point where he would not have enough time to define his claim and complete the test protocol. It's a friggin' (yes, that word again) million dollars. I'm sure you could write a novel for a million dollars...and with the help of a professional writer (like you said) it should be no problem...Unless of course you know you don't have anything paranormal to prove.

 

[chran]

Everyone here thinks you have a wonderful gift of a paranormal ability.

I don't.

We're trying to come up with a claim that makes sense for you and a protocol that rules out every other possible explanation except a paranormal one.

But this I agree with!

The Professor, even though I don't believe in your ability I would flove for you to prove me wrong! Make a claim, make it paranormal, and get the million dollars from that geriatric down in Florida! You know you want to!

 

[Azrael 5]

I have never ran any great distance-occasionally for a bus-so I wouldn't apply to take part in the Olympics 100 metres. Tehrefore I'd love to know why,considering no prior experience in contacting entities at Devil's Chair how you Professor think you can do this.

Also whilst you stall over other questions I ask again why you have not applied for any of the worldwide challenges I linked earlier which allow you to skip the preliminary test for MDC.Something which you requested.

 

[Loss Leader]

On with the Challenge

Okay, TP has given us a protocol. Well, it's sort of a protocol. It's a numbered list, in any case. Let's take a look.

1) All equipment in a Faraday Cage

Please describe in exacting detail the specific construction of the Faraday cage and its placement in relation to you.

2) The equipment that is in the Faraday cage can be examined or even Purchased by someone other than myself as others have suggested. (And YES, I Know that I am paying for this )

What equipment? Exactly what equipment will you be putting in the cage? Must the equipment record on magnetic tape? Can it record digitally? Can it record dB's or changes in air pressure? Can the equipment be entirely mechanical and not electric? Why or why not?

3) I will sit on the Devil's Chair on 10/31/ 2008. I think we all agree on that.

I don't think anybody has agreed on that. Without knowing exactly what you're going to do, it's hard to agree that any individual piece of what you're proposing is fair or unfair to the test. But, for the sake of argument, let's say that sitting on the Devil's Chair is a critical part of the expression of your powers.

4) The audio and video equipment will be turned on and recording.

Okay, which of this equipment is necessary for your test and which is just there to record your victory for posterity?

5) I will speak

I shiver in antici

6) After 27 minutes the recording equipment will be shut off.

Why 27 minutes?

7) If Audio or Video evidence is on the recordings that Can Not Be Scientifically Explained then the Test will be regarded as a success

I have nothing but questions about this. Are you saying that a voice and/or visual thing will appear to everyone present or are you saying that nothing will appear but a voice/visual thing will be visible only on playback?

Why do you put in that the phenomena "Can Not Be Scientifically Explained"? Don't you understand that these five words must be inherent in your protocol. It must be true that if a voice appears at all, by definition it cannot be scientifically explained. The very design of the test should rule out any scientific explanation. Do you understand that you have yet to do that?

Exactly how should the video/audio be evaluated? What objective evidence should the video/audio equipment record that would be considered successful? Remember, the evaluation must be objective and free of interpretation.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Jeff
I am extremely disappointed in your attempt to take this thread off topic. You should know the rules better than anyone else, and with the time limitation you've placed on me I see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

What does Raymond Hill have to do with My Claim?

Absolutely Nothing!

All the hanging questions about a valid claim and a protocol and this is the only comment you have to make here?

I think even the fence sitters are getting wise to you .

Oh wait....

...and with the time limitation you've I've placed on me you, I (hope you don't) see this as some kind of way to slow things down even more.

There, fixed it for you .

 

[yairhol]

How about an update on the situation Jeff?
Has TP sent a protocol to consider?
Does it look any better than what he had sent before or is it still full of holes?
Did he restate his paranormal claim?