The Usual Suspects Prepare To Lynch Obama

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The American Issues Project, makers of the recent smear ad lashing Obama to William Ayers, has plenty more rope for the Democratic candidate.

A new group financed by a Texas billionaire and organized by some of the same political operatives and donors behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against Sen. John F. Kerry in 2004 plans to begin running television ads attacking Barack Obama, a signal that outside groups may play a larger role than anticipated in the closing days of the presidential race.

The American Issues Project has amassed a multimillion-dollar fund, and the group is putting the final touches on an eleventh-hour campaign targeting the Democratic presidential nominee, sources said.

"We expect to be doing both issues and express advocacy between now and November and beyond," said Christian Pinkston, a spokesman for the group.
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And just in time. McCain just entered public financing and Obama raised $66 million in August. Both candidates will have 527s pushing for them now, with the Post article mentioning the SEIU and MoveOn.org. However, the SEIU and MoveOn.org are organizations made up of and funded by many people. This group is primarily financed by one individual.

Expect things to get really nasty, real quickly. Yes, deride me for the title I chose, but you know as well as I that this group is going to make the Willie Horton ad look like Rockwell's painting of the little black girl going to school with her police escort.
 
"Lynch" is the right word. The racism at the very core of the American Right is what motivates this. They have to defeat Senator Obama, or they fear that they will have finally lost the Civil War.

No matter what they come up with, the reason is racism, the goal is racism, and they resort to this because they know they cannot get away with violence this time.
 
Here's my question. Slander, generally speaking, is hard to prove because you have to show actual damages. Arguably, the Swift Boat crowd did damage Kerry's presidential campaign with lies. Given that this is basically the same group and they are basically doing the same thing, would Obama have a legal case here?
 
Upchurch said:
Here's my question. Slander, generally speaking, is hard to prove because you have to show actual damages. Arguably, the Swift Boat crowd did damage Kerry's presidential campaign with lies. Given that this is basically the same group and they are basically doing the same thing, would Obama have a legal case here?
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Yes, but one that could never be seen by a court for many years given the stalling tactics possible here. And it is VERY difficult to libel a politician given the wide latitude of NYT v Sullivan and other decisions protecting political speech.

Barring sending the goon squad out to silence these people physically, which we don't do any more in the USA, the best remedy to liars is speech spinning their lies into an embarrassment for McCain.
 
I disagree with the use of the word "lynch." "Smearing," "mudslinging," "swift-boating," or "slandering" are more accurate.

I'm of the opinion that sloppy and exagerrated use of the language is counterproductive.
 
BenBurch said:
"Lynch" is the right word. The racism at the very core of the American Right is what motivates this. They have to defeat Senator Obama, or they fear that they will have finally lost the Civil War.

No matter what they come up with, the reason is racism, the goal is racism, and they resort to this because they know they cannot get away with violence this time.
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Geez, And I thought it could'nt get any more ludicrous.
 
Puppycow said:
I disagree with the use of the word "lynch." "Smearing," "mudslinging," "swift-boating," or "slandering" are more accurate.

I'm of the opinion that sloppy and exagerrated use of the language is counterproductive.
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I want the AIP to explain the difference between what they are doing metaphorically and what generations of white people did to black people in the south.

And we haven't even seen the ads yet, Puppycow. I repeat: I predict that they will make the Horton ads look like a Tyler Perry movie. They have from now until November to prove me wrong. Would you like to get in on the opposite side of that prediction?

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boloboffin said:
I want the AIP to explain the difference between what they are doing metaphorically and what generations of white people did to black people in the south.

And we haven't even seen the ads yet, Puppycow. I repeat: I predict that they will make the Horton ads look like a Tyler Perry movie. They have from now until November to prove me wrong. Would you like to get in on the opposite of that prediction?
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:jaw-dropp
 
I started a thread on these idiots smearing Obama. I find this kind of politicking disgusting. It's a good thing that we are the good guys and wouldn't stoop to this. Let's all give ourselves a pat on the back.
 
Upchurch said:
Here's my question. Slander, generally speaking, is hard to prove because you have to show actual damages. Arguably, the Swift Boat crowd did damage Kerry's presidential campaign with lies. Given that this is basically the same group and they are basically doing the same thing, would Obama have a legal case here?
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There is a much higher bar to prove slander/libel against public figures than against private figures, for good reason. And if you look at the very first AIP ad, it does not appear to me to be slanderous:



About the only think you could argue is that Obama and Ayers have never claimed to be friends. But Ayers did what the ad says, and Obama did refer to him on his site as "respectable", and they did serve on a left-wing board together.
 
BenBurch said:
"Lynch" is the right word. The racism at the very core of the American Right is what motivates this. They have to defeat Senator Obama, or they fear that they will have finally lost the Civil War.

No matter what they come up with, the reason is racism, the goal is racism, and they resort to this because they know they cannot get away with violence this time.
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Brainster said:
About the only think you could argue is that Obama and Ayers have never claimed to be friends. But Ayers did what the ad says, and Obama did refer to him on his site as "respectable", and they did serve on a left-wing board together.
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I wasn't referring to any one ad. Given their previous success, I doubt they'll stop with this.

If they get as bad as they did with Kerry, would they meet that bar?
 
Whiplash said:
Lynch is not even remotely appropriate. It's 100% pure rhetoric.
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RandFan said:
A light shines. :)
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I don't understand what you guys are getting at. Rhetoric is the art of speaking effectively. How could "lynch" not be remotely appropriate if it is 100% effective in relating boloboffin's meaning?

Do you mean that it is overly theatrical or hyperbolic?
 
Upchurch said:
I don't understand what you guys are getting at. Rhetoric is the art of speaking effectively. How could "lynch" not be remotely appropriate if it is 100% effective in relating boloboffin's meaning?
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Are you sure his meaning wasn't "insincere or grandiloquent language"? That's also a definition. And it's one of the definitions in your own link.

Perhaps he meant this one from

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/rhetoric;_ylt=AuIw0HERLSC4UaqMyRNwagesgMMF

Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous
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