The Usual Suspects Prepare To Lynch Obama

[SezMe]

So you are saying that caricature is out when it comes to blacks? Really?

No, that is NOT what I am saying. Really.

I am not advocating that cartoonists self-censor themselves when it comes to political cartooning. If Obama wins the election, we can look forward to several years of, for example, Obama Ears sticking way out to here. And I'll chuckle at them.

Good political carictures use exaggeration to more effectively make their point. Racist cartoonists use exaggeration to more effectively carry their racist message. How to tell the difference? I have no rosetta stone.

But it may be somewhat like pornography; I can't define it but I know it when I see it. Examples I would look for include large lips, wide eyes with lots of white showing, and flared nostrils.

But, as I noted, a clear determination might not be possible without looking at how the cartoon is made and distributed.

SezMe, I'm sorry but I'm going to offend you and I want to get the apology out up front.

Absolutely no offense taken. If I cannot take some pointed criticism, then I don't belong here.

That is complete PC BS. We can't draw cartoons of Mohammad and now we can't draw cartoons of Obama. **** that!

This is the problem with PC. It's very effective at silencing speech. Political caricature goes back more than a hundred years and now it's not acceptable for this candidate. In fact, the character of anyone who draws such a character is impugned with typical CT connect the dots BS.

And Bush was behind 9/11.

No. Skepticism doesn't assume malicious intent without evidence. It doesn't assume that the face in the grilled cheese sandwich is the virgin Mary.

Just because you see evil doesn't mean there is evil.

Yes. And if I see evil it doesn't mean there is benign intent either. A good skeptic will look at context, author, alternative interpretations and any number of other factors to come to his/her final determination. And reasonable people can come to different conclusions. People such as you and me.

But, to conclude, I did not and do not endorse censorship of Obama cartooning in any shape or form.

 

[SezMe]

Apparently I am not the only one to sniff a nasty odor. The Values Voters:

Values Voter Summit organizers cut off sales of Obama Waffles boxes on Saturday, saying they had not realized the boxes displayed "offensive material."

 

[RandFan]

SezMe,

I've had a chip on my shoulder the last couple of days. I get hot under the collar when it comes to politics and PC in particular. Thanks for your patience with me. I appreciate your post. I'll respond later to it.

RandFan

 

[SezMe]

Holy ****, RandFan is human. Call out the dogs. Where are the mods when you need them? Aren't there internet police to deal with such a horrible revelation?

I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED!

 

[RandFan]

Holy ****, RandFan is human. Call out the dogs. Where are the mods when you need them? Aren't there internet police to deal with such a horrible revelation?

I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED!

I still drown puppies.

 

[Cobalt]

Seeking to defend comparing a black person to a monkey.

Y'know, I'll go on record and defend that. I personally feel that freedom of speech should mean you can say anything that comes to mind, no matter how stupid, idiotic, hate filled, racist, or ignorant it may be.

I always liked George Carlin's take on language, that there are no bad words, just bad thoughts and intentions.

If the monkey idea was meant to convey the idea that Obama's intelligence and/or mannerisms were similar to monkeys, without actually taking into account his skin color, then what's the big deal? It may have been racially motivated, and it may not have. If it was racially motivated, then in my opinion it was an ignorant and vile thing to do. I would argue to automatically assume it's a racially motivated idea is incorrect, especially if you don't know the thought patterns of the person who made it. I'd say its not possible to say for sure one way or another.

Either way, nobody's forcing you to agree with, or partake in the sale or promotion of anything.

If you think that I, personally, am a racist because of this, that's fine. If you want to say it, go ahead. I won't have to agree with you about it. I'll probably laugh and ignore you in the end.

Would anyone consider someone selling boxes of saltines with McCain's picture on them to be just as potentially racist?