Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

[Correa Neto]

...snip...Haven't we already established that Bigfoot is regarded by the Colvilles as Cain, firstborn son of Adam and Eve?

This is a clear case of cultural contamination.

In this case, how can anyone be sure of what were the original items of the myth? How can anyone be sure that the description of the being has not also been influentiated by Settlers?

Remember, using a preconceived idea of how a bigfoot should look like and select such characteristics may lead to a biased result.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh, so it was just "make believe".
.

When dealing with a make believe situation, all suppositions are make believe.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh, so it was just "make believe".


Oh, trying to shift the burden of proof?

First prove all Native Americans believe in bigfoot. Do you really think they do?
Please back your claim regarding a certain Captain Cooke having seen giant man-beasts at Patagonia.
Can you?
Will you?

MOTS, post something really worthy of discussion and I will discuss. Anything else will be ignored.

I never stated that all Native Americans believe in bigfoot.
That statement in itself makes you a liar.

I told you, I've nothing to prove to you. Read Drew's remark about it, he knows more than you obviously.


But in the spirit of brevity, I'm gonna assign a number system to your posts:
666) You need to inform yourself.
666a) blah blah ad hom
666b) blah blah ignore you

 

[kitakaze]

MOTS, I think a very substantial chunk of this thread is wasted on useless back and forth with you. I would put myself at the top of a very short list of posters who have contributed to that. Most of your posts here I'm at a loss to even interpret what it is that you are saying. I mean I know you're typing in English and I'm typing in English but the connect seems to end there.

I'm having a hard time even being able to say what your position is now regarding indigenous peoples of North America and Bigfoot. One example is that I ask you for a suggestion on a tribe to contact and you off the cuff say Cherokees in Florida. I ask why and you say because Bigfoot has been sighted in 49 states. I don't think you have any intention of sincerely contributing to the discussion here. I think you just want to butt heads and remind people that you're native Alaskan as an excuse.

This thread was started to try and have a critical look at whether or not indigenous cultures of North America really have traditions regarding bigfoot that are unambiguous and not the result of cultural contamination as we can see with the Colvilles and the singular entity Cain Bigfoot. From this point in this thread I will only address posts of yours that are furthering the discussion with relevant information.

 

[manofthesea]

MOTS, I think a very substantial chunk of this thread is wasted on useless back and forth with you. I would put myself at the top of a very short list of posters who have contributed to that. Most of your posts here I'm at a loss to even interpret what it is that you are saying. I mean I know you're typing in English and I'm typing in English but the connect seems to end there.

I'm having a hard time even being able to say what your position is now regarding indigenous peoples of North America and Bigfoot. One example is that I ask you for a suggestion on a tribe to contact and you off the cuff say Cherokees in Florida. I ask why and you say because Bigfoot has been sighted in 49 states. I don't think you have any intention of sincerely contributing to the discussion here. I think you just want to butt heads and remind people that you're native Alaskan as an excuse.

This thread was started to try and have a critical look at whether or not indigenous cultures of North America really have traditions regarding bigfoot that are unambiguous and not the result of cultural contamination as we can see with the Colvilles and the singular entity Cain Bigfoot. From this point in this thread I will only address posts of yours that are furthering the discussion with relevant information.

Are you throwing in the towel? Again?

Has it not been posted repeatedly that sightings have occured in 49 states? Are you now trying to rescind that statement? Proof is required.

You posted a list of possible bigfoot names. I found a reference to one of those names. Manitou. You then proceded to rescind the list stating that one of the authors reneged. So, either prove that this mystery author rescinded the list, or repost the list with an apology. We can go from there. Or not.

 

[manofthesea]

A little sports terminology: tagout

When one opponent (fearing defeat) reaches for the hand of a teammate, thereby allowing the teammate to enter the ring to assume the challenge against the given opponent.

 

[drapier]

Are you throwing in the towel? Again?

Has it not been posted repeatedly that sightings have occured in 49 states? Are you now trying to rescind that statement? Proof is required.

Proof of what is required? Proof that sightings have occurred in 49 states? Proof for your claim that Kitakaze is rescinding his statement? What relationship does the sentence "Proof is required" have with the questions that precede it?

 

[RayG]

Has it not been posted repeatedly that sightings have occured in 49 states?... Proof is required.

Damn, you just trashed my irony meter.

You posted a list of possible bigfoot names.

That list is comprised of anything even remotely resembling bigfoot to a bigfoot enthusiast. The names on that list may or may not have anything to do with bigfoot.

I found a reference to one of those names. Manitou.

You found reference to a spirit, and proceeded to spin that into something YOU, but nobody else, associated with bigfoot. Your stubborn ignorance when confronted with actual facts spoke volumes about your belief system, attitude, investigative prowess, and comprehension.

Now you're whining about having the list reposted. Which list did you want?

This Kathy Strain one?

Tribe - Traditional Name - Translation

Alabama-Coushatta - Eeyachuba - Wild man
Algonkian - Yeahoh- Wild man
Caddo - Ha'yacatsi - Lost giants
Cherokee - Kecleh-Kudleh - Hairy savage
Cherokee - Nun’ Yunu’ Wi - Stone man
Chickasaw - Lofa - Smelly, hairy being that could speak
Chippewa - Djeneta` - Giant
Choctaw - Kashehotapalo - Cannibal man
Choctaw - Nalusa Falaya - Big giant
Choctaw - Shampe - Giant monster
Comanche - Mu pitz - Cannibal monster
Comanche - Piamupits - Cannibal monster
Creeks - Honka - Hairy man
Iroquois - Ot ne yar heh - Stonish giant
Iroquois - Tarhuhyiawahku - Giant monster
Iroquois/Seneca - Ge no sqwa - Stone giants
Menomini - Manabai'wok - The Giants
Micmac - Chenoo - Devil cannibal
Mosopelea - Yeahoh - Monster
Ojibwa - Manito - Wild man
Seminole - Esti capcaki -Tall man
Seminole - Ssti capcaki - Tall hairy man
Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants
​

How about this one from Mizokami, Franzoni, and Glickman?

Traditional Name - Tribe - Translation

"Not Available" - Tshimshian Indians "Cannibal"​

A hoo la huk - Yup'ik Indian Not Available​

Atahsaia Zuni - Indian "The Cannibal Demon"​

At'at'ahila - Chinookan Indian Not Available​

Boqs - Bella Coola Indian "Bush Man"​

Bukwas - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wildman of the Woods"​

Chiha tanka - Dakota (East)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"​

Chiye tanka - Lakota (West)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"​

Choanito - Wenatchee Indian "Night People"​

El-Ish-kas - Makah Indians "Not Available"​

Esti Capcaki - Seminole Indian "Tall Man"​

Ge no sqwa - Iroquois/Seneca Indian "Stone Giants"​

Ge no'sgwa - Seneca Indian "Stone Coats"​

Get'qun - Lake Lliamna Indian Not Available​

Gilyuk - Nelchina Plateau Indian "Big Man with little hat"​

Gogit - Haida Indians "Not Available"​

Goo tee khl - Chilkat Indian Not Available​

Hecaitomixw - Quinault Indians "Dangerous Being"​

Iktomi - Plains Indians "The Trickster "​

Kala'litabiqw - Skagit Valley Indian Not Available​

Kecleh-Kudleh - Cherokee Indian "Hairy Savage"​

Kushtaka - Tlingit Indian "Otter Man"​

lariyin - Hare Indian "Bushman"​

Loo poo oi'yes - Miwuk Indian Not Available​

Madukarahat - Karok Indian "Giant"​

Manabai'wok - Menomini Indian "The Giants"​

Matlose - Nootka Indian Not Available​

Mesingw - Lenni Lenape Indian "The Mask Being"​

Miitiipi - Kawaiisu Indian "Bad luck or disaster"​

Misinghalikun - Lenni Lenape Indian "Living Solid Face"​

Na'in - Gwich'in Indians "Brushman"​

Nantiinaq - Kenai Peninsula Indian Not Available​

Nant'ina - Dena'ina Indian Not Available​

Neginla eh - Alutiiq/Yukon Indian "Wood Man"​

Not Available - Oglala Lakota Sioux Indian "The Big Man"​

Not Available - Twana Indians "Stick Indians"​

Not Available - Coeur d'Alene/Spokane Indian "The Tree Men"​

Nun Yunu Wi - Cherokee Indian "The Stone Man"​

Nu'numic - Owens Valley Paiute "The Giant"​

Oh Mah - Hoopa Indian "Boss of the Woods"​

Omah - Yurok Indian Not Available​

Ot ne yar heh - Iroquois Indian "Stonish Giant"​

Qah lin me - Yakama/Klickitat Indian Not Available​

Qui yihahs - Yakama/Klickitat Indian "The Five Brothers"​

Rugaru - Turtle Mt Ojibway Not Available​

Sasahevas - Halkomelem Language "Sasquatch"​

- Salish Indian "Wild Man of the Woods" ​

Saskets - Salishan/Sahaptin Indian "The Giant"​

Sc'wen'ey'ti - Spokane Indian "Tall Burnt Hair""​

Seat ka - Yakama Indian Not Available​

Seatco - Yakama/Klickitat/Puyallup "Stick Indian"​

Seeahtkch - Clallam Indian Not Available​

See'atco - Coast Salish Indian "One who runs and hides"​

Skanicum - Colville Indians "Stick Indians"​

Skookum - Chinook Indian "Evil God of the Woods"​

Skukum - Quinault Indians "Devil of the Forest"​

Slalakums - Upper Stalo Indians "The Unknown"​

Sne nah - Okanogan Indian "Owl Woman"​

So'yoko - Hopi Indian Not Available​

Ste ye mah - Yakama Indian "Spirit hidden by woods"​

Steta'l - Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Spirt Spear"​

Tah tah kle' ah - Yakama/Shasta Indian "Owl Woman Monster"​

Toylona - Taos Indian "Big Person"​

Tsadjatko - Quinault Indians "Giants"​

Tse'nahaha - Mono Lake Paiute "Giant"​

Tsiatko - Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Wild Indians"​

Tso apittse - Shoshone Indian "Cannibal Giant"​

Tsonaqua - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wild Woman of the Woods"​

Urayuli - SW Alaskan Eskimo Not Available​

Wetiko - Cree Indian Not Available​

Windago - Eastern Athabascan Indian "Wicked Cannibal"​

Wsinkhoalican - Lenni Lenape Indian "The Game Keeper"​

Xi'lgo - Nehalem/Tillamook Indian "Wild Woman"​

Yahyahaas - Modoc Indian Not Available​

Yayaya-ash - Klamath Indian "The Frightener"​

Yé'iitsoh - Navajo Indians "Big God "​

Yi' dyi'tay - Nehalem/Tillamook Indian "Wild Man"​

So which translations are literal descriptions of bigfoot beasties?

I eagerly await whatever sort of mumbo jumbo and smoke and mirrors you choose.

RayG

 

[manofthesea]

Damn, you just trashed my irony meter.

That list is comprised of anything even remotely resembling bigfoot to a bigfoot enthusiast. The names on that list may or may not have anything to do with bigfoot.

You found reference to a spirit, and proceeded to spin that into something YOU, but nobody else, associated with bigfoot. Your stubborn ignorance when confronted with actual facts spoke volumes about your belief system, attitude, investigative prowess, and comprehension.

Now you're whining about having the list reposted. Which list did you want?

This Kathy Strain one?

Tribe - Traditional Name - Translation

Alabama-Coushatta - Eeyachuba - Wild man
Algonkian - Yeahoh- Wild man
Caddo - Ha'yacatsi - Lost giants
Cherokee - Kecleh-Kudleh - Hairy savage
Cherokee - Nun’ Yunu’ Wi - Stone man
Chickasaw - Lofa - Smelly, hairy being that could speak
Chippewa - Djeneta` - Giant
Choctaw - Kashehotapalo - Cannibal man
Choctaw - Nalusa Falaya - Big giant
Choctaw - Shampe - Giant monster
Comanche - Mu pitz - Cannibal monster
Comanche - Piamupits - Cannibal monster
Creeks - Honka - Hairy man
Iroquois - Ot ne yar heh - Stonish giant
Iroquois - Tarhuhyiawahku - Giant monster
Iroquois/Seneca - Ge no sqwa - Stone giants
Menomini - Manabai'wok - The Giants
Micmac - Chenoo - Devil cannibal
Mosopelea - Yeahoh - Monster
Ojibwa - Manito - Wild man
Seminole - Esti capcaki -Tall man
Seminole - Ssti capcaki - Tall hairy man
Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants
​

How about this one from Mizokami, Franzoni, and Glickman?

Traditional Name - Tribe - Translation

"Not Available" - Tshimshian Indians "Cannibal"​

A hoo la huk - Yup'ik Indian Not Available​

Atahsaia Zuni - Indian "The Cannibal Demon"​

At'at'ahila - Chinookan Indian Not Available​

Boqs - Bella Coola Indian "Bush Man"​

Bukwas - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wildman of the Woods"​

Chiha tanka - Dakota (East)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"​

Chiye tanka - Lakota (West)/Sioux Indian "Big Elder Brother"​

Choanito - Wenatchee Indian "Night People"​

El-Ish-kas - Makah Indians "Not Available"​

Esti Capcaki - Seminole Indian "Tall Man"​

Ge no sqwa - Iroquois/Seneca Indian "Stone Giants"​

Ge no'sgwa - Seneca Indian "Stone Coats"​

Get'qun - Lake Lliamna Indian Not Available​

Gilyuk - Nelchina Plateau Indian "Big Man with little hat"​

Gogit - Haida Indians "Not Available"​

Goo tee khl - Chilkat Indian Not Available​

Hecaitomixw - Quinault Indians "Dangerous Being"​

Iktomi - Plains Indians "The Trickster "​

Kala'litabiqw - Skagit Valley Indian Not Available​

Kecleh-Kudleh - Cherokee Indian "Hairy Savage"​

Kushtaka - Tlingit Indian "Otter Man"​

lariyin - Hare Indian "Bushman"​

Loo poo oi'yes - Miwuk Indian Not Available​

Madukarahat - Karok Indian "Giant"​

Manabai'wok - Menomini Indian "The Giants"​

Matlose - Nootka Indian Not Available​

Mesingw - Lenni Lenape Indian "The Mask Being"​

Miitiipi - Kawaiisu Indian "Bad luck or disaster"​

Misinghalikun - Lenni Lenape Indian "Living Solid Face"​

Na'in - Gwich'in Indians "Brushman"​

Nantiinaq - Kenai Peninsula Indian Not Available​

Nant'ina - Dena'ina Indian Not Available​

Neginla eh - Alutiiq/Yukon Indian "Wood Man"​

Not Available - Oglala Lakota Sioux Indian "The Big Man"​

Not Available - Twana Indians "Stick Indians"​

Not Available - Coeur d'Alene/Spokane Indian "The Tree Men"​

Nun Yunu Wi - Cherokee Indian "The Stone Man"​

Nu'numic - Owens Valley Paiute "The Giant"​

Oh Mah - Hoopa Indian "Boss of the Woods"​

Omah - Yurok Indian Not Available​

Ot ne yar heh - Iroquois Indian "Stonish Giant"​

Qah lin me - Yakama/Klickitat Indian Not Available​

Qui yihahs - Yakama/Klickitat Indian "The Five Brothers"​

Rugaru - Turtle Mt Ojibway Not Available​

Sasahevas - Halkomelem Language "Sasquatch"​

- Salish Indian "Wild Man of the Woods" ​

Saskets - Salishan/Sahaptin Indian "The Giant"​

Sc'wen'ey'ti - Spokane Indian "Tall Burnt Hair""​

Seat ka - Yakama Indian Not Available​

Seatco - Yakama/Klickitat/Puyallup "Stick Indian"​

Seeahtkch - Clallam Indian Not Available​

See'atco - Coast Salish Indian "One who runs and hides"​

Skanicum - Colville Indians "Stick Indians"​

Skookum - Chinook Indian "Evil God of the Woods"​

Skukum - Quinault Indians "Devil of the Forest"​

Slalakums - Upper Stalo Indians "The Unknown"​

Sne nah - Okanogan Indian "Owl Woman"​

So'yoko - Hopi Indian Not Available​

Ste ye mah - Yakama Indian "Spirit hidden by woods"​

Steta'l - Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Spirt Spear"​

Tah tah kle' ah - Yakama/Shasta Indian "Owl Woman Monster"​

Toylona - Taos Indian "Big Person"​

Tsadjatko - Quinault Indians "Giants"​

Tse'nahaha - Mono Lake Paiute "Giant"​

Tsiatko - Puyallup/Nisqually Indian "Wild Indians"​

Tso apittse - Shoshone Indian "Cannibal Giant"​

Tsonaqua - Kwakwaka'wakw Indian "Wild Woman of the Woods"​

Urayuli - SW Alaskan Eskimo Not Available​

Wetiko - Cree Indian Not Available​

Windago - Eastern Athabascan Indian "Wicked Cannibal"​

Wsinkhoalican - Lenni Lenape Indian "The Game Keeper"​

Xi'lgo - Nehalem/Tillamook Indian "Wild Woman"​

Yahyahaas - Modoc Indian Not Available​

Yayaya-ash - Klamath Indian "The Frightener"​

Yé'iitsoh - Navajo Indians "Big God "​

Yi' dyi'tay - Nehalem/Tillamook Indian "Wild Man"​

So which translations are literal descriptions of bigfoot beasties?

I eagerly await whatever sort of mumbo jumbo and smoke and mirrors you choose.

RayG

That was a lot of typing, with very little apparent comprehension involved. Kitakaze claimed an author disavowed the bigfoot list. You'll have to have Kitakaze explain which precise list. Next time you pop up with another on-time intrusion, perhaps you could lead with a fitting "fee fi fo fum".

 

[RayG]

That was a lot of typing, with very little apparent comprehension involved.

Typing, what typing? Cut 'n paste makes things so much easier.

Speaking of comprehension, I see you completely missed my question at the bottom of the post. Not surprising I suppose, given your past history. I'll ask again, and maybe this time if I make it larger and bold the print you'll see it. (And please, see if you can concentrate on more than one thing at a time.)

So which translations are literal descriptions of bigfoot beasties?

RayG

 

[manofthesea]

Typing, what typing? Cut 'n paste makes things so much easier.

Speaking of comprehension, I see you completely missed my question at the bottom of the post. Not surprising I suppose, given your past history. I'll ask again, and maybe this time if I make it larger and bold the print you'll see it. (And please, see if you can concentrate on more than one thing at a time.)

So which translations are literal descriptions of bigfoot beasties?

RayG

It was personally verified at BFF that stick indian is the relative term for bigfoot. And that was the verification that I was seeking.

Concerning the rest of the lists, I've devoted no time in searching for additonal verification. I found mine.

I didn't put those lists together. Been a little busy repairing traffic lights these past 24 years. Only 6 to go. But apparently the people who put those lists together felt that each and every one is a relative term for bigfoot.

Anyway, kit must be busy digging up that verification required to put this issue to rest.

 

[manofthesea]

Typing, what typing? Cut 'n paste makes things so much easier.

RayG

Not to mention the rounded tip scissors. "Don't eat the glue".

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

It was personally verified at BFF that stick indian is the relative term for bigfoot. And that was the verification that I was seeking.

How quickly we forget...

Also, I recently rediscovered a post by "Hairy Man," in which she reveals that any creature that's large, hairy, and bipedal in NA folklore gets her Bigfoot seal of approval. But what about all the stuff that don't match up with the accepted characteristics for Bigfoot? Why, that's simply stuff the Native Americans added on for the sake of the story.

 

[Correa Neto]

Well, to be fair, I remember she also wrote that a connection between the mythical being and modern bigfoot lore must be made by a native. Its really hard to wade through myths since our cultural bias almost always seep in. But come to think of it, I think the basic line she is proposing is, in principle, not completely wrong. Many myths, from many cultures, ascribe behaviors/acts/personalities to creatures (real or immaginary). Of course, some acts and behaviors are way off from the real behavior of real animals, but some may not be. And again, enters the problem, the question I constantly make and never received a good answer- "Where to draw the line?"

Aniway, the most important part is that she is pretty aware of the problems that may come from the use of Native American myths to back bigfeet as real animals.

The discussions at those pages at the "simple challenge" thread are interesting, I think, and cover many of the points that have appeared here. Maybe those parts could be incorporated to this thread?.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Well, to be fair, I remember she also wrote that a connection between the mythical being and modern bigfoot lore must be made by a native.

Do you mean this post? If so, thanks for pointing that fact out to me.

Its really hard to wade through myths since our cultural bias almost always seep in. But come to think of it, I think the basic line she is proposing is, in principle, not completely wrong. Many myths, from many cultures, ascribe behaviors/acts/personalities to creatures (real or immaginary). Of course, some acts and behaviors are way off from the real behavior of real animals, but some may not be.

That's true.

And again, enters the problem, the question I constantly make and never received a good answer- "Where to draw the line?"

Exactly!

 

[tyr_13]

Hi, I'm very sorry, but I haven't read through all the pages here. What I did read however shows that there is very little in the way of actually doing what the original poster suggested.

When I saw on that list "Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants," was being used as one native name for 'bigfoot' I couldn't stop laughing. I'm sitting here in the north western part of the Allegany mountains, the land that the Stone Giants were to have lived in, and I can say that besides being big, strong, and perhaps having sharp teeth, they were supposed to be nothing like bigfoot. First and foremost, they are NOT hairy! They were called Stone Giants because depending on the legend they were either born with stone like skin that could deflect arrows with the strongest flint heads, or they created this natural armor over time by rubbing sand into their skin until it formed thick callouses filled with sand that looked like stone. This skin was also supposed to protect them from the coldest weather. Also, while they were 'wild' they were not 'savages'. They would rip apart and eat the people of the young Five Nations, but they also used the same weapons as the other peoples. They were just as smart as a human, just very mean.

Another key part of the Stone Giant myth is the destruction of the race except for one monster who turned into something different. This creature was the Genonsgwa, known for his strong magics and medicine. So a key part of this myth is that Stone Giants no longer exist.

A Stone Giant like creature is said to still exist in the area, is story. It is the white cannibal giant who walks around the woods scaring campers, wearing a stove pipe hat (like honest Abe's), and eating people. No, I don't know how he is supposed to be a cannibal, even though he is a giant that eats people, not other giants, but still.

Bigfoot hunters need to take that name OFF the list. It is a misuse, oversimplification, and degradation of a great Seneca myth, one that leads into other great myths like the False Face Society, and the Protectors of Heaven and Earth.

If someone has already pointed this out, sorry.

 

[manofthesea]

Hi, I'm very sorry, but I haven't read through all the pages here. What I did read however shows that there is very little in the way of actually doing what the original poster suggested.

When I saw on that list "Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants," was being used as one native name for 'bigfoot' I couldn't stop laughing.

A Stone Giant like creature is said to still exist in the area, is story. It is the white cannibal giant who walks around the woods scaring campers, wearing a stove pipe hat (like honest Abe's), and eating people. No, I don't know how he is supposed to be a cannibal, even though he is a giant that eats people, not other giants, but still.


If someone has already pointed this out, sorry.

You'll laugh alot here. The list was discredited.

So, are you Seneca? Perhaps Stone Giant (list) should have read Stone Giant-like.

Peace.

 

[RayG]

"Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants"...

...Bigfoot hunters need to take that name OFF the list. It is a misuse, oversimplification, and degradation of a great Seneca myth, one that leads into other great myths like the False Face Society, and the Protectors of Heaven and Earth.

If someone has already pointed this out, sorry.

And that's just one of many names that need to be taken off those lists.

As Kit pointed out in the very first post of this thread:

"It is my assertion that Native American traditions do not support the existence of bigfoot and that what is put forth by bigfoot enthusiasts as evidence for the existence of bigfoot has been cherry-picked and misrepresented. IMO this at best amounts to a collection of boogeyman tales not significantly different than that of countless other cultures."

That assertion was confirmed by a bigfoot proponent who cherry-picked the reference to 'Manitou' in a James Fenimore Cooper book, then misrepresented that reference by associating Manitou with bigfoot.

Kit's assertion applies equally well to those in the scientific community who write books on bigfoot and treat Native legends as factual.

The list was discredited.

Yet the cherry-picking continues by bigfoot enthusiasts. Go figure.

RayG

 

[tyr_13]

You'll laugh alot here. The list was discredited.

So, are you Seneca? Perhaps Stone Giant (list) should have read Stone Giant-like.

Peace.

Yes, I'm partially Seneca but that really shouldn't give story any more weight. Having some Seneca blood doesn't mean I know more about the story than anyone else living in the area. I'm not officially part of the nation, although I could be (and have been thinking about it, but the blond hair and blue eyes throw people off). Of course my size and complexion do fit more with the Stone Giants!

I figured the list was discredited, but was too busy going through the P-G film's thread of 100+ pages. I just didn't see all the names specifically discredited, just a few of them. Thought I'd add one more to the list of obviously wrong ones. I'm interested to find out if any of the names on the list actually fit bigfoot stories or not.

 

[manofthesea]

Yes, I'm partially Seneca but that really shouldn't give story any more weight. Having some Seneca blood doesn't mean I know more about the story than anyone else living in the area. I'm not officially part of the nation, although I could be (and have been thinking about it, but the blond hair and blue eyes throw people off). Of course my size and complexion do fit more with the Stone Giants!

I figured the list was discredited, but was too busy going through the P-G film's thread of 100+ pages. I just didn't see all the names specifically discredited, just a few of them. Thought I'd add one more to the list of obviously wrong ones. I'm interested to find out if any of the names on the list actually fit bigfoot stories or not.

You won't mind telling us your source for your stone giant story then and what makes your story the definitive reference.