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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

Drewbot said:
MOTS, just so I'm clear, you can accept that you were chased by a Giant, Hairy, Unclassified, Bipedal, Whooping, Backstroking, Infrasound-having, Primate, but you just can't believe that Native Americans performed controlled burns, and were Anti-Forest? Would this be a correct evaluation?

http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Change/reintroduction_of_fire.htm
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There should be an award for most magnificently ignorant posts.

Neto said that indians "regularly cleared the forest for grazing". I asked for what animal.

Your quote only mentions possible lightning or indian involvement on certain Colorado plateau environs. Big difference. The depth of your ignorance is unfathomable.
 
I'll Add a Thought

Dreams_In_Digital said:
Well, not to discount you, but I'd like to point out something.

Not too far from here is a small town called Willow Creek, settled in the Six Rivers National Forest along the Trinity river. There have been bigfoot sightings up that way since about 1936 (most notably there are rumors of a woman who claims she was held captive and raped by bigfoot over the course of a week but I haven't been able to find evidence of this besides the rumors). The sightings pretty much stopped at the end of the 1960s but occasionally there are stories of a hiker or two who spotted one.

Willow Creek has learned the value of marketing and milking it for all it's worth. There's a Bigfoot museum, Bigfoot motel, Bigfoot grocery, you get the idea. There's even a Bigfoot days towards the end of summer, I think it's coming up actually, where there's a parade and all sorts of weirdness but no one ever really takes it seriously.

The point of all of this is Willow Creek is right next to the Hoopa reservation, where the Hoopa and Yurok Native Americans live. I asked them if there were any old legends regarding bigfoot and you know what happened? They laughed at me, my one friend Eddie even said, "You're kidding right? You [white] folks invented that [expletive]." So, even in what's been deemed Bigfoot Country, there are no records of Bigfoot legends among the native people.

Just thought I'd add that.
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I call ********.
 
There should be an award for arguing for no reason. CN is spot on, about Native American Forest Burning. And you are just arguing for spite. You've done that before, was it when you realized that, after all these years of thinking you were chased by bigfoot, you discovered that it was just your overactive imagination, yet you continued arguing that it was a bigfoot.

manofthesea said:
There should be an award for most magnificently ignorant posts.

Neto said that indians "regularly cleared the forest for grazing". I asked for what animal.

Your quote only mentions possible lightning or indian involvement on certain Colorado plateau environs. Big difference. The depth of your ignorance is unfathomable.
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Only on the Colorado Plateau? Do you know how big that area is?
Didn't think so.

Grazing? Bison, Horses, Deer, Rabbits, pheasants, grouse, quail, prairie chickens, They knew these animals didn't live in the deep woods, with underbrush everywhere.

Here is another account of Northeast Native Americans doing the same thing.

http://www.daviesand.com/Papers/Tree_Crops/Indian_Agroforestry/
Simultaneous agroforestry practices in the Northeast involved manipulating the forest environment to shift the species composition in the direction of more food-producing shrubs and trees, and to increase the productivities of these species. The chief forest management tool used by the Indians was fire. Bromley [11] and Day [24] cited many of the early accounts describing the presettlement landscape in advancing the theory that large areas of forest land were intentionally burned, chiefly during the months of November and April. The following quotation from Wood [90, cited by Day] is typical of the early accounts:

. . . for it being the custom of the Indians to burn the wood in November, when the grass is withered, and leaves dried, it consumes all the Underwood, and rubbish, which otherwise would overgrow the country, making it unpassable, and spoil their much affected hunting . . .
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The early accounts generally ascribed the purposes of improving travel and hunting to the Indians' burning of the woods. Some later reviews of these accounts put emphasis on the additional purpose of favoring nut trees and berry plants [11, 12, 24, 81]. The early accounts are, in fact, fairly consistent in their indications of the predominance of nut trees in upland forests; the following citations from Day [24] are typical:

In 1607 Captain Gilbert described the trees at a point on the Maine coast--probably Point Elizabeth south of Casco Bay. They were "the most part of them ocke and wallnutt (hickory) growing in a great space assoonder on from the other as in our parks in Ingland and no thickett growing under them" [7]. Richmond Island nearby had "fine oaks and nut trees with cleared land and abundance of vines which in their season bear fine grapes." [19]
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According to studies in Colorado and California, deer herds in burned forest are at least 2-4 times greater than those in unburned forest [93]. Increased mast, browse, and better nutrient status of these foods have been indicated as the causes. Fire effects on bear, moose, or turkey have not been studied, nor have effects on total wildlife standing biomass been investigated.
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The various wars throughout the history of NA should have produced a Bigfoot body (by outright killing or finding a dead specimen). But this cannot and will not ever happen with a mythical creature.
 
Drew, you must really think that Neto is quite the dimwit.
It's obvious by your desire to intrude in our discourse.

Anyway, if you accept testimony from a 1607 Captain, how about Capt. Cooke's sighting of large man beasts in Argentina?

Your other reference only mentions possible lightning or maybe indian involvement.

Neto stated indians regularly cleared forest for grazing. Read that again. I asked him for which animal.

Are you familiar with the word 'twit'?
 
Drew, perhaps in your overzealousness, you missed this part of your reference:

"advancing the theory that large areas of forest land were intentionally burned,"

Your overzealousness, perhaps effective with non thinkers, only reveals shallowness and transparency.
 
manofthesea said:
I call ********.
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I don't see how, Eddie's not the only one who said it. If you like I could videotape or record some of the Yuroks and Hoopas recounting their legends, not a Bigfoot tale among them. Also, I've seen the exhibits at the Bigfoot museum, at best they're just knick knacks thrown together for the tourists.
 
Ah. Patagonia.

Its already been covered here- the search function can direct you towards my post on the subject and links towards more details. It is a known fact that tall natives (1.8m tall x 1.6m tall average European of that time), quite often covered with animal fur/skins, gave origin to a tale of giants living at the southern tip of South America. Note that a similar storyline is one of the many explanations for sasquatch myths which are more plausible than an unknown giant bipedal ape, as I have stated here before.

Patagonia comes from "patagón" - "large foot" in Spanish, so Patagonia is the first and the real bigfoot country. Tall natives aside, another plausible explanation for the name are the many giant sloths ichnofossils found there. Once you remember that there are several megafauna fossils there and note Patagonia's harsh, lonely and quite often spooky environment, it becomes clear how easy it is to create such a myth there.

BTW, I wonder if MOTS is not actually talking about Frederick A. Cook (polar explorer who carried out an Antartic expedition between 1897 and 1899 and wrote about the Ona); he is certainly not talking about James Cook (1728-1779), who could not have been to Argentina in 1607.
http://www.cookpolar.org/
http://www.victory-cruises.com/Giant_Indians.html
 
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Well, reading comprehension (see the Fenimore Cooper discussion) was never his strong suit.
 
Dreams_In_Digital said:
If you like I could videotape or record some of the Yuroks and Hoopas recounting their legends,
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Yes, please do. I'll take the recording and dub 'bigfoot' whenever they say coyote or something.

Really, that's what they deserve for being native denialists. That's like an Italian telling you that the Tower of Pisa doesn't lean.
 
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