Are Truthers' accusations against Silverstein based on latent anti-Semitism?

[metamars]

That is a truly ridiculous little nugget of illogic.

Unless, of course, the real purpose of that bit of verbal diarrhea is to smear you. In which case, it makes a lot of sense, though it's still illogical.

Repeat after me:

911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
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(repeat for 10 years)
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911 Truther , Jew Hater


(Best done while staring at a rotating spiral, BTW, with 'Twilight Zone' or 'My Favorite Martian' sound effects playing in the background.)

Is it starting to make sense, now? If the people who blather on about their superior critical thinking skills say so, surely it must make more sense. Yes? No?

 

[applecorped]

Unless, of course, the real purpose of that bit of verbal diarrhea is to smear you. In which case, it makes a lot of sense, though it's still illogical.

Repeat after me:

911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
911 Truther , Jew Hater
.
.
.
(repeat for 10 years)
.
.
.
911 Truther , Jew Hater


(Best done while staring at a rotating spiral, BTW, with 'Twilight Zone' or 'My Favorite Martian' sound effects playing in the background.)

Is it starting to make sense, now? If the people who blather on about their superior critical thinking skills say so, surely it must make more sense. Yes? No?

 

[metamars]

Is it starting to make sense, now? If the people who blather on about their superior critical thinking skills say so, surely it must make more sense.

On the subject of the not-so-fine art of repetitive lying, this just in by Philip Giraldi, who used to be in the CIA and now writes for antiwar.com :

Neoconservative pundits have a tendency to assert that something is true even if it is not and then repeat the assertion over and over again to give it credibility. Repeating a statement without subjecting it to any critical analysis is generally regarded as little more than a rhetorical gimmick.

Perhaps RedIbis' smear-merchant assailant is a neocon wannabee?

 

[applecorped]

 

[metamars]

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I guess words fail you. Nothing new, there. Do you really think pictures will make the difference?

For the shallow of mind, of course, endless repetition of the smear-meme will suffice, even without pictures. You may dupe a few more people with the pictures, though.

The key thing is repetition. To make the smear settle in to people's subconscious mind, so that it's internalized and they view it as 'natural', 'logical', 'given', 'obvious', etc., you need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

 

[applecorped]

I guess words fail you. Nothing new, there. Do you really think pictures will make the difference?

For the shallow of mind, of course, endless repetition of the smear-meme will suffice, even without pictures. You may dupe a few more people with the pictures, though.

The key thing is repetition. To make the smear settle in to people's subconscious mind, so that it's internalized and they view it as 'natural', 'logical', 'given', 'obvious', etc., you need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

Sorry, didn't mean to be repetitive.

 

[stateofgrace]

For the shallow of mind, of course, ,.

Neither do I normally correct or condemn people who swear, say malicious things about black people, or say malicious or stupid things about women.

Unlike the deep thinker you are.

 

[metamars]

Sorry, didn't mean to be repetitive.

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Ah, I see. Repeat the central meme, but introduce enough novelty so as to

1) prevent the target of the disinformation from becoming bored, which would decrease the effectiveness of the stimulus, therefore requiring a greater number of repetitions
2) in the case of verbal smears, create the illusion of spontaneity, and thus of actual thought (as opposed to knee-jerk hatred or mental unbalance on the part of the person doing the smearing)

In the case of visual (implicit) smears, I don't think 2) really applies, since it takes time to dig up the pictures, make sure they're sized correctly, upload them, etc. You'd have to be really shallow of mind to interpret that as spontaneous.

 

[pomeroo]

I have no idea what Red's opinion on Jews are. But to paint everyone who refuses to dance to your tune as an anti-semite is, IMHO, simplistic and wrong.

I believe Red falls somewhere between a troll and mentally ill. You can attribute all his beliefs to his feelings about jews if you like, but that makes you no different then those that attribute 9/11 CT to the rantings of leftists. Wait, that's you as well.

But, of course it's simplistic and wrong to paint anyone who expresses different opinions as an anti-Semite. Nobody disagrees with you. What point can you be making?

I inquired about RedIbis for a very specific reason. He makes baseless, slanderous accusations about a man who has done nothing wrong. He is constantly challenged to justify his smears and is conspicuously incapable of doing so. As there is nothing of substance to his charges, the question of anti-Semitism naturally arises. It is a question that RedIbis could have disposed of with the greatest of ease. He has refused. Draw your own conclusions.

Are you making an error or telling a falsehood when you accuse me of equating twoofers with leftists? I have explained often enough, as you surely know, that twooferdom is divided into the America-hating, Bush-bashing lefties and the anarcho-libertarian, black-helicopter crackpots such as Alex Jones. It is impossible to pretend that I regard all fantasists as lefties.

 

[MarkyX]

The key thing is repetition. To make the smear settle in to people's subconscious mind, so that it's internalized and they view it as 'natural', 'logical', 'given', 'obvious', etc., you need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

How many editions of Loose Change are there? How many "books" has DRG written? How many revisions of Steven Jones' paper are there? How many Alex Jones' videos are on PrisonPlanet? How many 9/11 conspiracy videos are there?

Do you really want to use this as an argument against us?

 

[applecorped]

Ah, I see. Repeat the central meme, but introduce enough novelty so as to

1) prevent the target of the disinformation from becoming bored, which would decrease the effectiveness of the stimulus, therefore requiring a greater number of repetitions
2) in the case of verbal smears, create the illusion of spontaneity, and thus of actual thought (as opposed to knee-jerk hatred or mental unbalance on the part of the person doing the smearing)

In the case of visual (implicit) smears, I don't think 2) really applies, since it takes time to dig up the pictures, make sure they're sized correctly, upload them, etc. You'd have to be really shallow of mind to interpret that as spontaneous.

My bad! Here, you of all people will get this one. If not, look it up.

 

[pomeroo]

That is a truly ridiculous little nugget of illogic.

On the subject of really bad logic, you instantly responded to my insinuation of anti-Semitism with feigned indignation. Incidentally, we now know that the indignation wasn't real because you expressed, clearly and directly, your refusal to correct the record. We kind of suspect that a truly indignant person would want a retraction. Anyway... Hinting that you were a Jew-hater was "odious," you said. Well, such hints are odious if made about people who aren't Jew-haters.
Simply denounce the vile anti-Semites who infest your evil, mindless movement, I suggested, and we can lay the matter to rest. You have never taken a principled stand on anything before, but you chose to break the ice with this. Hmmm.
So, getting back to bad logic, it's odious to call someone a Jew-hater, but it's perfectly okay for that person to be a Jew-hater. Have I got it right?

We've sprinkled some salt on the stage, the music has started--let's see those rat-a-tat-tapping feet do their stuff!

 

[RedIbis]

As there is nothing of substance to his charges, the question of anti-Semitism naturally arises.

It naturally arose for you because you have no other way to participate in debate. You rely on the most petty tactics out of desperation, insecurity in your position, and an inability to apply critical reasoning.

This is what this whole thread is about, relying on charges of anti-semitism when specific questions about Silverstein cannot be answered.

 

[LashL]

On the subject of the not-so-fine art of repetitive lying, this just in by Philip Giraldi, who used to be in the CIA and now writes for antiwar.com :

Neoconservative pundits have a tendency to assert that something is true even if it is not and then repeat the assertion over and over again to give it credibility. Repeating a statement without subjecting it to any critical analysis is generally regarded as little more than a rhetorical gimmick.

Perhaps RedIbis' smear-merchant assailant is a neocon wannabee?

Sounds more like those groups of "truthers" who dress alike and shout at passersby:
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"

For the shallow of mind, of course, endless repetition of the smear-meme will suffice, even without pictures. You may dupe a few more people with the pictures, though.

The key thing is repetition. To make the smear settle in to people's subconscious mind, so that it's internalized and they view it as 'natural', 'logical', 'given', 'obvious', etc., you need to repeat, repeat, repeat.

Again, it sounds like those groups of "truthers" who dress in matching black t-shirts and mindlessly chant, shout, and harass people on the street with the endlessly repetitive,
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"9/11 was an inside job"

Do the "truthers" get extra points for using a bullhorn to shout their mindless, repetitive drivel?

 

[pomeroo]

Sure you can. You would just rather conflate the few idiots with all of the other research that goes on. Is Griffin, Dr. Jones, Hoffman, Gage, or Paul Thompson anti semitic?

Okay, my position is that not all conspiracy liars are anti-Semites. Would you care to condemn the ones who are? Do you reject their fantastic lies about Jews?

 

[RedIbis]

Simply denounce the vile anti-Semites who infest your evil, mindless movement, I suggested, and we can lay the matter to rest. !

The only thing I refused to do is sign on to any pledge that you mustered up.

Something tells me that you're the type of aggressive chess player that overcommits his pieces and gives up too much ground out of a false sense of bombast.

 

[RedIbis]

Okay, my position is that not all conspiracy liars are anti-Semites. Would you care to condemn the ones who are? Do you reject their fantastic lies about Jews?

I would condemn any bigot, racist or anti-semite in or out of what you fallaciously refer to as the Twoofy Twoof Movement.

I also condemn anyone who throws around charges of bigotry, racism or anti-semitism without knowing what the hell he's talking about.

 

[1337m4n]

This is what this whole thread is about, relying on charges of anti-semitism when specific questions about Silverstein cannot be answered.

Like:

1) What proof is there that Silverstein was lying and/or "in on it"?
2) Since Silverstein referenced an FDNY commander in the infamous quote, is that FDNY commander ALSO "in on it"?
3) Why did the Truth Movement invent the use of "pull it" as a term for explosive demolition?

I assume these are the unanswered questions you were referring to?

 

[applecorped]

please don't leave out our superior gender. They are just as capable or spotting anti-semitism.

 

[1337m4n]

metamars, will you condemn the anti-Semites who claim to represent 9/11 Truth?